Umpires in the media

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The former says that the batter is safe unless the ball beats him,

As much as I hate to join this,

The former says he's safe when he touches it before he is out.

The latter indicates one of the ways he can be out.

The "conflict" in the rules was between the BR at first and runners forced to another base. One rule had "the tie goes to the runner" and the other had "the tie goes to the defense." Now the rules have been changed so both agree that the "tie goes to the runner."

None of this changes how we (should) umpire.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As much as I hate to join this,

The former says he's safe when he touches it before he is out.

The latter indicates one of the ways he can be out.

The "conflict" in the rules was between the BR at first and runners forced to another base. One rule had "the tie goes to the runner" and the other had "the tie goes to the defense." Now the rules have been changed so both agree that the "tie goes to the runner."

None of this changes how we (should) umpire.

I'm not doubting you but what rule has been changed to make the rules line up with "tie goes to the runner"

-Josh

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I'm not doubting you but what rule has been changed to make the rules line up with "tie goes to the runner"

-Josh

6.05j and 7.08e now read the same -- a runner is out if he is tagged *before* he touches the base. Since a tie is not "before", the runner is safe if there is a tie.

One of those said "a runner is out if he fails to touch the base before it is tagged." So, here, a tag meant an out.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

6.05j and 7.08e now read the same -- a runner is out if he is tagged *before* he touches the base. Since a tie is not "before", the runner is safe if there is a tie.

One of those said "a runner is out if he fails to touch the base before it is tagged." So, here, a tag meant an out.

Would you agree that FED still doesn't have the language aligned like MLB since 8-4-2j and 8-1-2Note seem to be in conflict with that?

Originally Posted by 8-4-2j

The runner is out when he:...fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.

-Josh

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Would you agree that FED still doesn't have the language aligned like MLB since 8-4-2j and 8-1-2Note seem to be in conflict with that?

-Josh

I think (a) the relevant rules are 8-4-1f and 8-4-2j; (b) they conflict; and (c) it doesn't matter.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think (a) the relevant rules are 8-4-1f and 8-4-2j; (b) they conflict; and (c) it doesn't matter.

So you go by the adage, "tie goes to the runner"?

-Josh

[tcarilli]

Tie goes to the umpire!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdmara

So you go by the adage, "tie goes to the runner"?

-Josh

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. /sarcasm