Throwing the Bat - LL

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Our guidance from Williamsport is warn, and eject.

Now the problem is that an ejection carries with it a one game suspension, and most level headed folks think the suspension is pretty harsh for a non-intentional act. What most do is warn the individual, then tell the coach to pull him from the lineup.

But four in a row it pretty odd(and spooky), and I think your proclamation was warrented. Hell, it worked, didn't it?

If your guidance is warn then eject, what are people doing requesting the player be pulled from the lineup? If the player was warned, then it is an ejection - plain and simple. Why are people complicating this simple procedure?

Warn then eject!

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Why are people complicating this simple procedure?

Because it's Little League. Almost as bad as Fed.

[kylejt]

Ejection is harsh for a nonvoluntary act, as it carries the one game suspension.

"Coach, number seven is done for the day. You pull him, or I eject him. Your choice".

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

It's pretty simple. No need to go Ozzy on the little kids.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

You're ejecting the coach for what exactly, a legal substitution? If you don't want the player to continue to participate in that game, eject him. Otherwise don't. But you have no authority to demand a substitution of a player who has not been ejected.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're ejecting the coach for what exactly, a legal substitution? If you don't want the player to continue to participate in that game, eject him. Otherwise don't. But you have no authority to demand a substitution of a player who has not been ejected.

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

The point is it's not unsporting conduct. You, as umpire, have tried to circumvent the rules and then when it doesn't work you compound your error by ejecting the coach for no reason.

If I was his replacement, what I would do is file a protest and lodge a formal complaint over your conduct. Oh yeah, and inform you of the substitution I'm about to make.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

Seems to me you're inventing your own rules. You tell him to choose between ejecting the kid (which is what the rule says, apparently) and putting him on the bench. But then you have an unspoken caveat that the kid has to stay out or you'll judge it USC on the coach? Why can't he do that? Kid's not ejected and has a reentry left.

Seems LL has put on paper what they want the penalty to be - if they wanted a less harsh penalty than sitting out the rest of the game and the next one, they'd have written it that way.

This sounds like a football referee not calling certain penalties simply because he personally feels the penalty is too harsh - nevermind that this is what the rulesmakers put there.

[kylejt]

Easy now, fellas. WP is in agreement with the procedure of benching the kid, instead of the EJ. There's just no current mechanism for it.

So what's the beef with dumping the manager who tries to roll you? Would it be better to just eject the player instead, which in most people's opinion, is way too harsh? So the umpire is trying to be nice, and keep the kid from having to stay home for the next game, and the manager tries to take advantage of it? Well gents, that's pretty unsportsmanlike.

If the next guy wants to play that game, I guess that kid wasn't actually sick/injured/benched after all. He was ejected.

Next.

And not that it's ever come to that. I've only had it come up a couple of times over the years. The managers were appriciative of having that option, and thanked me. Nobody in their right mind wants to eject a little kid over this, 'cause that's who does this sort of stuff. It's not HS kids, or other teenagers. It's 9 year olds. Ejecting an 9 year old for stuff like this will sour his baseball experience, and that of his folks. No need for it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

How about, if the coach puts the kid back in, you let him, then follow through on the ejection.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How about, if the coach puts the kid back in, you let him, then follow through on the ejection.

Ejection Report:

In the bottom of the first, I issued a warning to HomeTeam batter #15 for carelessly throwing a bat. In the bottom of the third, HomeTeam batter #15 again thew a bat carelessly, hitting the catcher in the shin guards. I approached HomeTeam Coach HomeCoach and asked him to remove #15 from his lineup and place him on the bench.

In the top of the 6th, HomeCoach approached me and advised #15 would be entering the game as the first baseman. I allowed the substitution, then ejected #15 from the game for his actions in the first and third innings.

I don't think that would go over well in any well-run league.

[DG]

Is missing a game a LL rule, or League rule, I dont' know because no LL around here. For small leagues around here it a league rule. Most around here it is a league rule. What other league rules don't we like so will not enforce?

What if little Johnny pitches bat in 6th innning? If he misses rest of that game only, what did he learn? Hanging onto the bat is not hard to do, most everyone else in the league can.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Ejection is harsh for a nonvoluntary act, as it carries the one game suspension.

"Coach, number seven is done for the day. You pull him, or I eject him. Your choice".

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

It's pretty simple. No need to go Ozzy on the little kids.

Really? You have direction and you choose not to use it so that makes you a total fool. This is why LL is so F'd up because you have rules and no one follows them.

And you can kiss my back side with that comment!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

And you can kiss my back side with that comment!

Sorry, Ozzy, but in the interest of fair and accurate reporting, the actual correct terminology is "going Ozzy" on someone. I checked. Your photo is right next to the definition.

[kylejt]

East County, thanks for checking in.

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