Throwing the Bat - LL

kylejt · #1 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 09:25am

Our guidance from Williamsport is warn, and eject.

Now the problem is that an ejection carries with it a one game suspension, and most level headed folks think the suspension is pretty harsh for a non-intentional act. What most do is warn the individual, then tell the coach to pull him from the lineup.

But four in a row it pretty odd(and spooky), and I think your proclamation was warrented. Hell, it worked, didn't it?

yawetag · #2 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 09:38am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

What most do is warn the individual, then tell the coach to pull him from the lineup.

What if this doesn't match minimum-play rules? Let's say VT's lead-off hitter throws the bat on the first at-bat. Team bats around and he does it again. You have coach pull him from the lineup.

VT wins, but HC protests (or whatever you do) that minimum-play wasn't completed on VT's lead-off.

kylejt · #3 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 09:47am

It's the same as a kid coming out of the game for an injury. No penalty for missing MPR.

yawetag · #4 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 10:53am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

It's the same as a kid coming out of the game for an injury. No penalty for missing MPR.

You're telling a coach to pull a kid from his lineup, but it's not considered an ejection? Odd.

ozzy6900 · #5 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 10:56am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Our guidance from Williamsport is warn, and eject.

Now the problem is that an ejection carries with it a one game suspension, and most level headed folks think the suspension is pretty harsh for a non-intentional act. What most do is warn the individual, then tell the coach to pull him from the lineup.

But four in a row it pretty odd(and spooky), and I think your proclamation was warrented. Hell, it worked, didn't it?

If your guidance is warn then eject, what are people doing requesting the player be pulled from the lineup? If the player was warned, then it is an ejection - plain and simple. Why are people complicating this simple procedure?

Warn then eject!

nopachunts · #6 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 10:58am

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Why are people complicating this simple procedure?

Because it's Little League. Almost as bad as Fed.

kylejt · #7 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 11:14am

Ejection is harsh for a nonvoluntary act, as it carries the one game suspension.

"Coach, number seven is done for the day. You pull him, or I eject him. Your choice".

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

It's pretty simple. No need to go Ozzy on the little kids.

Eastshire · #8 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 11:47am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

You're ejecting the coach for what exactly, a legal substitution? If you don't want the player to continue to participate in that game, eject him. Otherwise don't. But you have no authority to demand a substitution of a player who has not been ejected.

kylejt · #9 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're ejecting the coach for what exactly, a legal substitution? If you don't want the player to continue to participate in that game, eject him. Otherwise don't. But you have no authority to demand a substitution of a player who has not been ejected.

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

Eastshire · #10 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

The point is it's not unsporting conduct. You, as umpire, have tried to circumvent the rules and then when it doesn't work you compound your error by ejecting the coach for no reason.

If I was his replacement, what I would do is file a protest and lodge a formal complaint over your conduct. Oh yeah, and inform you of the substitution I'm about to make.

MD Longhorn · #11 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

Seems to me you're inventing your own rules. You tell him to choose between ejecting the kid (which is what the rule says, apparently) and putting him on the bench. But then you have an unspoken caveat that the kid has to stay out or you'll judge it USC on the coach? Why can't he do that? Kid's not ejected and has a reentry left.

Seems LL has put on paper what they want the penalty to be - if they wanted a less harsh penalty than sitting out the rest of the game and the next one, they'd have written it that way.

This sounds like a football referee not calling certain penalties simply because he personally feels the penalty is too harsh - nevermind that this is what the rulesmakers put there.

Adam · #12 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 07:55pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly? I don't have the authority to eject a coach for unsportsmanlike conduct? I give him a chance to save a player from an ejection, and he ignores it (not that it's ever happened to me).

Yeah, he'd go for UC. And we'll see what his replacement wants to do.

How about, if the coach puts the kid back in, you let him, then follow through on the ejection.

ozzy6900 · #13 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 02:04pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Ejection is harsh for a nonvoluntary act, as it carries the one game suspension.

"Coach, number seven is done for the day. You pull him, or I eject him. Your choice".

And if a coach pulls him, and tries to reenter him later in the game, eject the coach.

It's pretty simple. No need to go Ozzy on the little kids.

Really? You have direction and you choose not to use it so that makes you a total fool. This is why LL is so F'd up because you have rules and no one follows them.

And you can kiss my back side with that comment!

SanDiegoSteve · #14 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

And you can kiss my back side with that comment!

Sorry, Ozzy, but in the interest of fair and accurate reporting, the actual correct terminology is "going Ozzy" on someone. I checked. Your photo is right next to the definition.

kylejt · #15 (**permalink**) Wed May 25, 2011, 05:06pm

East County, thanks for checking in.

La Jolla to Jacumba, from Tijuana to the Canadian Rockies, your reaction! I want to talk sports with you.

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