Throwing Out a Fan.....

[grunewar]

I know many of us have T'd and or tossed coaches, but what about fans?

Article below reflects on UNC Coach having a fan removed for heckling. I've never seen that either.

Roy Williams kicks out heckling fan at the Dean Dome - The Dagger - NCAAB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I know many of us have T'd and or tossed coaches, but what about fans?

Article below reflects on UNC Coach having a fan removed for heckling. I've never seen that either.

Roy Williams kicks out heckling fan at the Dean Dome - The Dagger - NCAAB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

After reading the article & watching the video of the incident, it seems that the fan said something about the player that should not have been said.

Had an incident last year during a Girls' C-Squad game where a fan/parent of the visiting team was very vocal about the play on the court. He was continually yelling at the floor officials that their calls were wrong. One of those times he did use some not-so-appropriate language after a foul was called on his daughter. After the reporting official notified the table of the foul, the official turned to the visiting coach & said either you remove that fan, or your team forfeits the game. Game Management was brought in, as well as local police, since they were onsite, to escort him out of the gym & ultimately off of school grounds.

The reasoning behind getting the police involved in this instance was that he did not want to listen to the officials or the coach to leave. Crowd Control asked him to leave, he was being uncooperative. A school administrator was brought in with the same response, so the police officer was brought in as no other method was working to keep the situation under control.

Come to find out after the fact that the guy had a bit of a rap sheet, & he was arrested due to having a warrant out against him.

[JRutledge]

I have only ejected one fan in my life time and that was because they came onto the court to confront us. If they would have stayed in the stands nothing would have happened.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

.....the official turned to the visiting coach & said either you remove that fan, or your team forfeits the game.

One problem. You can't do that.

Crowd Control asked him to leave, he was being uncooperative.

Crowd Control? Isn't that you?

[Raymond]

Had one fan removed. He was sitting in first row on sideline. He didn't liKe an OOB call and starting jumping up and down and yelling "bulls**t". Bleachers were too close to sidelines for me to ignore.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

One problem. You can't do that.



Crowd Control? Isn't that you?

At that time, I was working as scoreboard/timer, so that was not my jurisdiction.

What caused the comment about remove or forfeit was due to what the guy said, the reporting official, as well as the table could hear him although he was 40-50 feet away. The home coach just sat there shaking his head at the comment, as the home coach heard it as well. Basically, the guy was, every other word, using expletives/colorful metaphors. Considering, he did call the one official a mf 2x dumb donkey.

What if they just ejected that player whose father was causing the problems?

When she fouled before the incident it was her 4th foul of the game.

[mutantducky]

Williams sounds like a whiny little baby. He had no business doing what he did. With his arm injury and losing out to some big recruits maybe he is feeling a little down. Of course how can one compete with Calirpari and his tactics
I'm sure there will be lots of Duke fans who are going to get those Presbyterian shirts and have many chants ready when UNC comes to town.

This blog gives more details

Blogs - Fayobserver.com - Roy freaks out over heckler, asks everyone else to calm down

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What if they just ejected that player whose father was causing the problems?

Nope. You can't punish a player because of a fan, even if that fan is the player's parent.

The only thing an official can do is go to game management and ask that the offender be removed. If game management can't (or won't) remedy the situation, suspend the game and head to the official's room. Then get on the horn with the assignor/supervisor/etc.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Nope. You can't punish a player because of a fan, even if that fan is the player's parent.

The only thing an official can do is go to game management and ask that the offender be removed. If game management can't (or won't) remedy the situation, suspend the game and head to the official's room. Then get on the horn with the assignor/supervisor/etc.

I was figuring that the player couldn't be punished for actions beyond their control. Just like, technically as everyone on here says, a coach can't be punished for the actions of spectators. Just wanted the clarification.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

One problem. You can't do that.



Crowd Control? Isn't that you?

I did not realize that if I told this guy is going to go or we do not continue, I have no right to do that. Thanks for informing me of that fact.

BTW I got there first; the school was going to take care of the situation too.

Peace

[mutantducky]

going on the court kick them out.
racism or threats, drunk
But other than that I'm not kicking out fans and not for a one-time thing as well. They better earn it. Warn the admin people and if they keep it up then kick them out. Otherwise refs and coaches shouldn't be bothering with crowd control. Unless it is Disco Demolition Night in Chicago.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Williams is a whiny little baby.

Fixed it for you.

I'll also admit a soft spot for Presbyterian College. They are one of the five smallest D-I schools in the country, recently jumped up to D-I, and a good friend of mine is on the baseball coaching staff there. The fact that Roy is annoyed at - or thinks his players can't take - a little crowd noise is embarrassing, IMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

going on the court kick them out.
racism or threats, drunk
But other than that I'm not kicking out fans and not for a one-time thing as well. They better earn it. Warn the admin people and if they keep it up then kick them out. Otherwise refs and coaches shouldn't be bothering with crowd control. Unless it is Disco Demolition Night in Chicago.

But you cannot do that remember. Someone said you have no authority. You must allow those things to continue in your games and you are powerless.

Peace

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize that if I told this guy is going to go or we do not continue, I have no right to do that. Thanks for informing me of that fact.

BTW I got there first; the school was going to take care of the situation too.

Peace

There is a difference between suspending the game if a problem isn't taken care of, and telling a visiting head coach that his team will forfeit if one of their fans doesn't leave.

It wasn't the visiting head coach's problem to deal with...

[mutantducky]

that sounds like jedi talk to me.


"But you cannot do that remember. Someone said you have no authority. You must allow those things to continue in your games and you are powerless. "