Who becomes coach?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Wow. Trusting. I'm not sure I'd have done this if the guy was not in uniform. He could literally be ANYONE, him writing down his name and number is nothing - either or both could be fabricated. He could even be someone previously banned from high school sports for any number of reasons (some rather problematical). You'd never know.

Better to end it and let the state sort it out.

There has to be a reasonable due diligence in this matter. I don't ask the head coach to produce proof of state certification and three forms of identification to proof that he says who he is. Therefore, I'm going to use common sense and get the name and phone number of the guy and go from there. If something is a muck, the ejected coach isn't going to leave his team under the auspices of anyone random. He is going to tell the team to pack up and leave with him.

I don't know about you gentleman but I don't always carry my card that says I'm a state certified umpire. Maybe I should, but I don't.

-Josh

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I don't know about you gentleman but I don't always carry my card that says I'm a state certified umpire. Maybe I should, but I don't.

Sitting back in the dressing room (read: car trunk) right next to my rule books.

I think Name and phone number would be ok, I would also try to get a "normal" title from them (bus driver, groundskeeper, parent, ect.) and place that in the report as well.

A little more information in that situation could not hurt anyone.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Sitting back in the dressing room (read: car trunk) right next to my rule books.

I used to carry it but have gotten lacked about it over the past 5 years

-Josh

[Tim C]

I have never declared a forfeit.

I have suspended a game and allowed the proper people to decide what is apporiate.

T

[Matt]

This is a simple question, to me. In any youth ball, if all coaches are ejected, I'm suspending the game (absent any authoritative guidance to the contrary.) If it's determined that the game goes ahead, then that's what happens. I'm not playing arbiter of who's allowed to coach any more than I'm going to determine a starting lineup.

Plus, suspending the game maintains a level of fairness vice forfeit or allowing the game to continue with a "makeshift" coach. The visiting team isn't going to have the ability to continue a game as much as the home team if you take either of those routes.

[MrUmpire]

+1

[Chris Viverito]

What about NCAA?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jdmara

There has to be a reasonable due diligence in this matter. I don't ask the head coach to produce proof of state certification and three forms of identification to proof that he says who he is.

Well of course not, and I'm not saying anything of the sort... the HC has shown up at the game, in uniform, etc. The problem comes from when all uniformed "coach"es are ejected.

Therefore, I'm going to use common sense and get the name and phone number of the guy and go from there. If something is a muck, the ejected coach isn't going to leave his team under the auspices of anyone random. He is going to tell the team to pack up and leave with him.

Maybe not somebody random to him... but could easily be someone who should not be there. Maybe he picks someone's dad that he sees at the games all the time ... and maybe he doesn't even know this dad is a criminal. I'm not saying it's likely ... but if you allow someone out there that you know NOTHING about, you might be liable for the consequences.

I don't know about you gentleman but I don't always carry my card that says I'm a state certified umpire. Maybe I should, but I don't.

-Josh

I don't either... but I wouldn't be surprised if I happened to be at a game as a spectator, and when I saw they were working one-man and I offered to help, they wouldn't let me because I didn't have my card on me.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Maybe not somebody random to him... but could easily be someone who should not be there. Maybe he picks someone's dad that he sees at the games all the time ... and maybe he doesn't even know this dad is a criminal. I'm not saying it's likely ... but if you allow someone out there that you know NOTHING about, you might be liable for the consequences.

If the coach picks someone random, that's on him (not me). I allow someone that I know nothing about in charge of the players every time I go to a new school. It's the schools responsibility to assign qualified personnel to the games to watch the players. If that coach is ejected, the ejected coach should appoint a qualified (state certified) replacement. If there isn't one available then game over. If I ask the coach-appointed replacement if he is certified according to the state association and he says yes, they it's no longer on me.

-Josh

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I don't know about you gentleman but I don't always carry my card that says I'm a state certified umpire. Maybe I should, but I don't.

Card?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Card?

In the two state's I've worked (IA and KY), we are sent a card or print out a card to "prove" our certification as officials.

-Josh

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by jdmara

In the two state's I've worked (IA and KY), we are sent a card or print out a card to "prove" our certification as officials.

-Josh

MN used to send out a card, but now you have to go online and print it. Of course with just paper it is hard to carry on you (unless you print out a new one every time).

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

MN used to send out a card, but now you have to go online and print it. Of course with just paper it is hard to carry on you (unless you print out a new one every time).

Iowa has gone the same route. I don't want to take the time to get it laminated.

-Josh