Who becomes coach?

[UmpJM]

BEAREF,

There is no FED rule or case play that says the game is forfeit if the HC is ejected and there are no other coaches present.

I'm guessing that's a league/conference rule in DG's area.

JM

[Altor]

In Ohio, in all sports, we have the same ruling as DG's. If there is not a school-board approved coach or administrator to take over, the team is done. In a two-team game like baseball, the game is done too.

[jdmara]

In Iowa, the game is over

-Josh

[Adam]

Each state determines the consequences. I'm not aware of any state that allows a high school competition to continue in any sport if there are no coaches available.

Each state would also set the standards for who can become a coach. If the AD/Principal/Superintendant/Bus Driver steps up and says they are the new coach, I'll let them (on the basketball court) and assume they meet whatever qualifications are set by my state. At that point, my ejection report would include all the information and I'd let the state sort it out.

Again, that's basketball, and the custom in baseball may be different.

[justanotherblue]

As mentioned, it varies from state to state. Here in Nevada, you have to have a member of the schools staff available, or it's game over by forfeit.

[BEAREF]

Thanks for the responses. I will check with our state high school league.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Each state determines the consequences. I'm not aware of any state that allows a high school competition to continue in any sport if there are no coaches available.

Each state would also set the standards for who can become a coach. If the AD/Principal/Superintendant/Bus Driver steps up and says they are the new coach, I'll let them (on the basketball court) and assume they meet whatever qualifications are set by my state. At that point, my ejection report would include all the information and I'd let the state sort it out.

Again, that's basketball, and the custom in baseball may be different.

I have had this situation happen once. Between innings, I had the replacement "coach" write his name and phone number on the card. This information was forwarded to the state in my ejection report so they could follow up if needed.

Just wanted to elaborate on your point Snaq

-Josh

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I have had this situation happen once. Between innings, I had the replacement "coach" write his name and phone number on the card. This information was forwarded to the state in my ejection report so they could follow up if needed.
-Josh

Wow. Trusting. I'm not sure I'd have done this if the guy was not in uniform. He could literally be ANYONE, him writing down his name and number is nothing - either or both could be fabricated. He could even be someone previously banned from high school sports for any number of reasons (some rather problematical). You'd never know.

Better to end it and let the state sort it out.

[ozzy6900]

In CT, the game is over if there are no certified teachers in the dugout. No mommies or daddies allowed.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Wow. Trusting. I'm not sure I'd have done this if the guy was not in uniform. He could literally be ANYONE, him writing down his name and number is nothing - either or both could be fabricated. He could even be someone previously banned from high school sports for any number of reasons (some rather problematical). You'd never know.

Better to end it and let the state sort it out.

There has to be a reasonable due diligence in this matter. I don't ask the head coach to produce proof of state certification and three forms of identification to proof that he says who he is. Therefore, I'm going to use common sense and get the name and phone number of the guy and go from there. If something is a muck, the ejected coach isn't going to leave his team under the auspices of anyone random. He is going to tell the team to pack up and leave with him.

I don't know about you gentleman but I don't always carry my card that says I'm a state certified umpire. Maybe I should, but I don't.

-Josh

[DG]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

BEAREF,

There is no FED rule or case play that says the game is forfeit if the HC is ejected and there are no other coaches present.

I'm guessing that's a league/conference rule in DG's area.

JM

Close, I am not aware of a state/league/conference rule on this either, but it is an understood customary practice by all.

Of course 10-2-3g has my back also.

[UmpJM]

DG,

The only problem I have with 10-2-3g is because 4-4-1 enumerates the FED defined conditions for a forfeit - and no adult coaches ain't one of 'em.

So, forfeits ARE covered in the rules, but no available adult coaches ISN'T, so 10-2-3g has definitely got your back there.

If that's the practice in your area, I think that's exactly what you should do.

I have no idea what the "custom and practice" is around here. Generally, it seems that each conference establishes it's own "game-ending procedures" and the umpire determines whether the game continues or is halted. Whether it is a win/loss, forfeit, or suspended is not my concern.

There is no place I know of that I can go "look up" the IHSA position on any of the NFHS "by state adoption" rules, but everyone seems to agree on what they are. Mildly frustrating to me.

JM

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

DG,

The only problem I have with 10-2-3g is because 4-4-1 enumerates the FED defined conditions for a forfeit - and no adult coaches ain't one of 'em.

So, forfeits ARE covered in the rules, but no available adult coaches ISN'T, so 10-2-3g has definitely got your back there.

If that's the practice in your area, I think that's exactly what you should do.

I have no idea what the "custom and practice" is around here. Generally, it seems that each conference establishes it's own "game-ending procedures" and the umpire determines whether the game continues or is halted. Whether it is a win/loss, forfeit, or suspended is not my concern.

There is no place I know of that I can go "look up" the IHSA position on any of the NFHS "by state adoption" rules, but everyone seems to agree on what they are. Mildly frustrating to me.

JM

I just saw this and did some digging. Here is what I was told:

In Illinois, head coaches and assistant coaches, must be (1) faculty members who have a valid teaching certificate, (2) any non-faculty member who has a valid teaching certificate, or (3) any non-certified person older than 19 year who has completed a coach training education program as approved by the IHSA (ex. ASEP). If the head coach and all assistant coaches are ejected (or otherwise not present) any adult who is present and is a certified faculty member of that school and agrees to take on the responsibility of the welfare of all players may serve in the place of the ejected coach(es). Parents of players (who do not fall within the previously stated criteria) cannot assume that responsibility of acting as the coach, in which case the game must be forfeited. Suspend it and the conference will perform the penalty, if they have not adopted something else.

You will not find that information in the rule book. It this is located somewhere in the depths of the IHSA bylaws which you can find on the IHSA website.

The solution to this would be to restrict the HC or AC to the dugout for the remainder of the game. Many underlevel contests only have one coach, so this comes into play more often. Restricting coaches is far more prevalent at that level. I believe that has already been stated but it is offered in case a member chooses not to backread.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

The solution to this would be to restrict the HC or AC to the dugout for the remainder of the game. Many underlevel contests only have one coach, so this comes into play more often. Restricting coaches is far more prevalent at that level. I believe that has already been stated but it is offered in case a member chooses not to backread.

Which is fine if the ejection wasn't based on his behavior. I couldn't care how many coaches are on the bench; if a HC wants to act like a rat, he's not sitting on the bench the rest of the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Which is fine if the ejection wasn't based on his behavior. I couldn't care how many coaches are on the bench; if a HC wants to act like a rat, he's not sitting on the bench the rest of the game.

Exactly. Actions have consequences. If you're the only coach, don't get ejected -- simple as that.