Who becomes coach?

[DG]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

FED rules...

Who would become the coach if the head coach is ejected and there is no assistant coach available?

I don't have rules or casebook at work with me.

Thanks.

Game over by forfeit. Had one like this last year, my partner on bases EJ the HC and OC (only coach). Get on the bus gus.. The toss was well deserved.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by DG

Game over by forfeit. Had one like this last year, my partner on bases EJ the HC and OC (only coach). Get on the bus gus.. The toss was well deserved.

Do you have a rule or casebook #?

[UmpJM]

BEAREF,

There is no FED rule or case play that says the game is forfeit if the HC is ejected and there are no other coaches present.

I'm guessing that's a league/conference rule in DG's area.

JM

[Altor]

In Ohio, in all sports, we have the same ruling as DG's. If there is not a school-board approved coach or administrator to take over, the team is done. In a two-team game like baseball, the game is done too.

[jdmara]

In Iowa, the game is over

-Josh

[Adam]

Each state determines the consequences. I'm not aware of any state that allows a high school competition to continue in any sport if there are no coaches available.

Each state would also set the standards for who can become a coach. If the AD/Principal/Superintendant/Bus Driver steps up and says they are the new coach, I'll let them (on the basketball court) and assume they meet whatever qualifications are set by my state. At that point, my ejection report would include all the information and I'd let the state sort it out.

Again, that's basketball, and the custom in baseball may be different.

[justanotherblue]

As mentioned, it varies from state to state. Here in Nevada, you have to have a member of the schools staff available, or it's game over by forfeit.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Each state determines the consequences. I'm not aware of any state that allows a high school competition to continue in any sport if there are no coaches available.

Each state would also set the standards for who can become a coach. If the AD/Principal/Superintendant/Bus Driver steps up and says they are the new coach, I'll let them (on the basketball court) and assume they meet whatever qualifications are set by my state. At that point, my ejection report would include all the information and I'd let the state sort it out.

Again, that's basketball, and the custom in baseball may be different.

I have had this situation happen once. Between innings, I had the replacement "coach" write his name and phone number on the card. This information was forwarded to the state in my ejection report so they could follow up if needed.

Just wanted to elaborate on your point Snaq

-Josh

[DG]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

BEAREF,

There is no FED rule or case play that says the game is forfeit if the HC is ejected and there are no other coaches present.

I'm guessing that's a league/conference rule in DG's area.

JM

Close, I am not aware of a state/league/conference rule on this either, but it is an understood customary practice by all.

Of course 10-2-3g has my back also.

[UmpJM]

DG,

The only problem I have with 10-2-3g is because 4-4-1 enumerates the FED defined conditions for a forfeit - and no adult coaches ain't one of 'em.

So, forfeits ARE covered in the rules, but no available adult coaches ISN'T, so 10-2-3g has definitely got your back there.

If that's the practice in your area, I think that's exactly what you should do.

I have no idea what the "custom and practice" is around here. Generally, it seems that each conference establishes it's own "game-ending procedures" and the umpire determines whether the game continues or is halted. Whether it is a win/loss, forfeit, or suspended is not my concern.

There is no place I know of that I can go "look up" the IHSA position on any of the NFHS "by state adoption" rules, but everyone seems to agree on what they are. Mildly frustrating to me.

JM

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

DG,

The only problem I have with 10-2-3g is because 4-4-1 enumerates the FED defined conditions for a forfeit - and no adult coaches ain't one of 'em.

So, forfeits ARE covered in the rules, but no available adult coaches ISN'T, so 10-2-3g has definitely got your back there.

If that's the practice in your area, I think that's exactly what you should do.

I have no idea what the "custom and practice" is around here. Generally, it seems that each conference establishes it's own "game-ending procedures" and the umpire determines whether the game continues or is halted. Whether it is a win/loss, forfeit, or suspended is not my concern.

There is no place I know of that I can go "look up" the IHSA position on any of the NFHS "by state adoption" rules, but everyone seems to agree on what they are. Mildly frustrating to me.

JM

I just saw this and did some digging. Here is what I was told:

In Illinois, head coaches and assistant coaches, must be (1) faculty members who have a valid teaching certificate, (2) any non-faculty member who has a valid teaching certificate, or (3) any non-certified person older than 19 year who has completed a coach training education program as approved by the IHSA (ex. ASEP). If the head coach and all assistant coaches are ejected (or otherwise not present) any adult who is present and is a certified faculty member of that school and agrees to take on the responsibility of the welfare of all players may serve in the place of the ejected coach(es). Parents of players (who do not fall within the previously stated criteria) cannot assume that responsibility of acting as the coach, in which case the game must be forfeited. Suspend it and the conference will perform the penalty, if they have not adopted something else.

You will not find that information in the rule book. It this is located somewhere in the depths of the IHSA bylaws which you can find on the IHSA website.

The solution to this would be to restrict the HC or AC to the dugout for the remainder of the game. Many underlevel contests only have one coach, so this comes into play more often. Restricting coaches is far more prevalent at that level. I believe that has already been stated but it is offered in case a member chooses not to backread.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

The solution to this would be to restrict the HC or AC to the dugout for the remainder of the game. Many underlevel contests only have one coach, so this comes into play more often. Restricting coaches is far more prevalent at that level. I believe that has already been stated but it is offered in case a member chooses not to backread.

Which is fine if the ejection wasn't based on his behavior. I couldn't care how many coaches are on the bench; if a HC wants to act like a rat, he's not sitting on the bench the rest of the game.