Coverage Question

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why are you going to third?

R1 only, ball never leaves the infield, you do not have coverage at third.

R1 only, infield batted ball, Single A Minor Leagues now have PU head up in case of "snow-ball fight". (bad throws). PU would take play at third.

[jophyal]

rich i see your side of it. i too like a good pre game. i try to let my BU know my expected rotation between each change in batters and baserunning changes. i am a BIG FAN of my PU verbally telling me where he is and i yell as i am going up line, getting a tag up...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

R1 only, infield batted ball, Single A Minor Leagues now have PU head up in case of "snow-ball fight". (bad throws). PU would take play at third.

Minor league fields have good fences.

Still, I think it's a miserable mechanic and is mainly designed to placate those that think angle over distance is all a bunch of hooey (mainly the rats).

The play at first doesn't require good distance (it's a "force" play) and a throw back to third will open up to the right angle -- and those plays are rarely close, anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jophyal

rich i see your side of it. i too like a good pre game. i try to let my BU know my expected rotation between each change in batters and baserunning changes. i am a BIG FAN of my PU verbally telling me where he is and i yell as i am going up line, getting a tag up...

BU should be prepared to take every base unless he is called off of third by the PU. I do not care either way, just communicate this with me and I will adjust.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

From my experience, each has its advantages/disadvantages, and "personal preference" of one over the other is largely determined by what was considered "proper" when a given individual first "learned" the rotation.

JM

And "proper" goes back and forth depending on which play "whoever is in charge" got burned on last year.

[jophyal]

Maybe I should start a new thread...

R1, batted ball to F4, close play at first. Coach asks you for help from your partner...
Would you,while BU, ask for help from PU in this sitch?
If you were PU would you be looking at first or runner touching/missing second?

Thanks for all of ya'lls help this year.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jophyal

Maybe I should start a new thread...

R1, batted ball to F4, close play at first. Coach asks you for help from your partner...
Would you,while BU, ask for help from PU in this sitch?
If you were PU would you be looking at first or runner touching/missing second?

Thanks for all of ya'lls help this year.

For just a simple play at first? Heck no!!!

And as a PU I would not give help on a call like that for a simply play.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jophyal

Maybe I should start a new thread...

R1, batted ball to F4, close play at first. Coach asks you for help from your partner...
Would you,while BU, ask for help from PU in this sitch?
If you were PU would you be looking at first or runner touching/missing second?

Thanks for all of ya'lls help this year.

Why would a coach ask you to get help on this play? You're starting in B, you take a few steps, you come set, you make the call.

Any particular reason the coach is asking?

(I've asked a plate umpire for help at first twice in 24 years. The last time was in 2001, so I'm probably due again soon.)

[jophyal]

I had a partner ask me for help after a coach came out and asked him what he saw. I followed Jrut's POV. I would not have asked for help if I were BU. This is just on topic of the two mechanics we were discussing and I asked.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jophyal

I had a partner ask me for help after a coach came out and asked him what he saw. I followed Jrut's POV. I would not have asked for help if I were BU. This is just on topic of the two mechanics we were discussing and I asked.

Nothing wrong with asking. I just would find it odd that another umpire would go to an umpire that does not have responsibility for this play. He should have told the coach to go pound sand on this one.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jophyal

I had a partner ask me for help after a coach came out and asked him what he saw. I followed Jrut's POV. I would not have asked for help if I were BU. This is just on topic of the two mechanics we were discussing and I asked.

Some umpires feel that it's "nice" to placate coaches that ask for "help." They are just trying to get the umpire to shop the call to see if the other umpire will see things differently (in other words, change the call to their liking).

After the game, did you tell your partner to own his call and not come to you just cause the coach asked?

[jophyal]

I said it with a little more color in it than that. But yes, I told him. I told him that next time he came to me he better at least be able to point out a hot spectator or something. That way I could look over there and act like I was talking about the call...

[Rich]

I worked a game a few years ago with a not-very-good umpire. I held a thorough pregame with him. Then he asked me for help on three plays at first base when he started in the C position. He didn't take a single step to try to get proper position to make the calls -- I guess he figured that's what the plate umpire was for.

(His C position could be called C- or D+ since he could've taken three steps and been at third base.)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Spence,

Under FED rules (but not NCAA) a "pop-up" slide into the pivot man is a violation of the FPSR.

JM

Only if the umpire judges that the slide constituted illegal contact or illegal alteration of the play. 8-4-2b

I agree that in most instances, I would judge this to be INT. I'm simply pointing out that it's still the illegal contact or alteration, not the illegal slide as such, that is punished with INT here.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

R1 only, infield batted ball, Single A Minor Leagues now have PU head up in case of "snow-ball fight". (bad throws). PU would take play at third.

Preferred mechanic at all 2 man levels now. PU can retreat once R1 is retired at 2nd to 1BXL OR can cut across to 1B line.