Coach handling??

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

This is exactly why the question of how to handle coaches is never black and white. You have to take into consideration all the variables; treating coaches and situations with one broad brush approach is a recipe for disaster. Yet I see it all the time mostly from officials who simply don't have the mental savvy to think on their feet.

Here you have a coach who deserves very little consideration in terms of dicussing your B/S calls. Or much of any call for that matter as he is not only an arse he's teaching arse to his kids.

Cut to the coach who is the exact opposite. Refuses to allow his players to get in your ear and only asks, at the appropriate time and with respect, if you and he can discuss what's going on. Not why you missed the call but what should he and his catcher, in this case, do to to help you in your job.

You see, this coach is getting his point across and enhancing his chances for success and setting a solid, proper example. Let him. He deserves the consideration.

Exactly why would you think that coaches are treated with one, broad brush? A coach gets all the respect he returns in every game and every sport I work. If a coach asks a question the right way and actually listens to the answer and I know he doesn't get upset for no good reason then of course I'll listen when he's upset -- he's proven that he's worth listening to and knows how to treat umpires/officials.

Internet posting is very one dimensional -- it's hard to express nuance from a keyboard. There are some absolutes, as far as I'm concerned (my ejection last season was for being called ridiculous after we had interference on an infield fly that resulted in a double play -- no coach is going to stay after calling me a name), but no good umpire/official is going to survive long without having a mouth AND an ear and knowing when to use the right one at the right time.

[JRutledge]

If I have learned anything from this discussion and other discussions, how you handle a coach is personal. I deal with coaches how they deal with me. If they want to be bombastic and embarrass me, they will not be around long. I do not bread my butter by the opinions of any coach. I have worked too many games to realize (especially in baseball) they have very little say in anything I do ultimately. They often get who they get because not everyone can work anywhere and at anytime like other sports.

Work your games, learn from other umpires and do your best. If that is not good enough for coaches, they will not be around long enough for it to matter anyway.

Peace

[Welpe]

I'm surprised it took Fitty this long to return.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm surprised it took Fitty this long to return.

My money's on "InterestedUmp", Fitty's (FitUmp) leader.

IU was better at acting superior while feigning innocence as he stirred the pot and made individual accusations better than Fitty. Fitty was his "me, too" dupe. And, don't forget Fitump56.

Also common in this thread is their habit of seizing on an umpire they perceived to be picked on, usually one who is a bit naive, (remember Canadianump 6?) and then defending him to the hilt. Then there's the trademarrk overuse of the Big Grin smilie when ever he thinks he's being clever.

Check the archives.

Eventually their meanspiritedess gets the better of the and they become downright vicious. We've lost some good posters because of those two.

Mike: Caveat Emptor. Your new "sponsor" will turn on you eventually.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

My money's on "InterestedUmp", Fitty's (FitUmp) leader.Check the archives.

I figured they all came from the same bag of crazy.

We've lost some good posters because of those two.

Indeed we have. I miss reading Garth's posts on here.

[Simply The Best]

Mr. Umpire and Welp, don't you think your conversation would be best as PMs instead of cluttering up the officiating discussions with off topic ramblings, accusations and general BS?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Mr. Umpire and Welp, don't you think your conversation would be best as PMs instead of cluttering up the officiating discussions with off topic ramblings, accusations and general BS?

Says the BS master.

Regards to Deej.

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

My money's on "InterestedUmp", Fitty's (FitUmp) leader.

IU was better at acting superior while feigning innocence as he stirred the pot and made individual accusations better than Fitty. Fitty was his "me, too" dupe. And, don't forget Fitump56.

Also common in this thread is their habit of seizing on an umpire they perceived to be picked on, usually one who is a bit naive, (remember Canadianump 6?) and then defending him to the hilt. Then there's the trademarrk overuse of the Big Grin smilie when ever he thinks he's being clever.

Check the archives.

Eventually their meanspiritedess gets the better of the and they become downright vicious. We've lost some good posters because of those two.

Mike: Caveat Emptor. Your new "sponsor" will turn on you eventually.

Gentlemen...Don't forget the ignore feature.

I haven't had to use the ignore feature in a long, long time. So I found it funny when I went to add STB to the ignore list, I found Fitump56 was already there. I also had Poosey and Canadianump 6 on the ignore list.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

Gentlemen...Don't forget the ignore feature

Thanks Former Ump, I wasn't aware. It will make this place so much more enjoyable.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not bread my butter by the opinions of any coach.

How does one bread their butter then?

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

How does one bread their butter then?

Depends on the quality of the bread and butter.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Exactly why would you think that coaches are treated with one, broad brush?

Because by some umpires including ones on this forum, they are. Some officials approach is combative (because they are insecure imo), some consider coaches sub-human ("rats" - just another form of insecurity imo). Consequently, every coach they encounter is treated the same either as a combatant or a rat.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

A coach gets all the respect he returns in every game and every sport I work. If a coach asks a question the right way and actually listens to the answer and I know he doesn't get upset for no good reason then of course I'll listen when he's upset -- he's proven that he's worth listening to and knows how to treat umpires/officials.

The outcome is fine but the approach is completely bassakward. Start the game with respect for the coach not "he gets what he returns" which is either a neutral position, or imo considering your posts past" begins in a negative, combative posture.

Coaches, who btw are people, read your body language, your tone of voice, the lokk you do or don't give them at the home plate meeting, from third base, the dugout...they read and they judge how they are being perceived.

So it is mightily important to start the game with respect for people (coaches in this context) or you are doing nothing more than predetermining the outcome of the coach-official relationship.

Internet posting is very one dimensional -- it's hard to express nuance from a keyboard.

I would strongly disagree. For instance, the use of and and delivers a message as does bolding (my bet is you quite well understand how much I strongly disagree with you ), italicizing and several other non dimensional features.

Over time, the attitude of the poster, the point of his posts, the clarity in which he writes, his use of language, proper punctuation and a flurry of other factors highlight who he is, what he stands for, where his points of interest are...well, you get the idea...dimensionally.

There are some absolutes, as far as I'm concerned (my ejection last season was for being called ridiculous after we had interference on an infield fly that resulted in a double play -- no coach is going to stay after calling me a name)

Unless you posted this incident incorrectly, he didn't call you a name, he commented on the absurdity of the call, very different situation. Nothing personal there, dude, lighten up, again, this goes back to my first paragraph above. How you approach the game and the people. I would have gotten a good laugh out of that. Only a dunce for a coach believes he is going to gain anything positive by using such a redikalous term as "ridiculous". Think of it this way.

Stupidity is God's gift called light humour.

...but no good umpire/official is going to survive long without having a mouth AND an ear and knowing when to use the right one at the right time.

Here we go again. I strongly disagree. I know very good, even excellent officials who are quiet, to the point, rarely verbal or verbose and hear hardly anthing from fans, coaches or players.

I would not be in that group but I also would not paint them with that wide brush (remember the wide brush we discussed earlier in this thread...here it is again...) of not having survivability.

Fact is, they can be alive and well and amongst us at this very moment.

FYI, note how I spelled "humour", I did that to fool you into thinking I am a Brit. Funny how dimensionality can work with Internet posting.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Unless you posted this incident incorrectly, he didn't call you a name, he commented on the absurdity of the call, very different situation. Nothing personal there, dude, lighten up, again, this goes back to my first paragraph above. How you approach the game and the people. I would have gotten a good laugh out of that. Only a dunce for a coach believes he is going to gain anything positive by using such a redikalous term as "ridiculous". Think of it this way.

"You guys are ridiculous."

I quoted nothing in the original post. I know the difference between a reference to my decision and a namecaller. Does such a thing have to be spelled out in every post?

Keep playing Internet psychologist, troll. I have a basketball game to work.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Unless you posted this incident incorrectly, he didn't call you a name, he commented on the absurdity of the call, very different situation. Nothing personal there, dude, lighten up, again, this goes back to my first paragraph above. How you approach the game and the people. I would have gotten a good laugh out of that. Only a dunce for a coach believes he is going to gain anything positive by using such a redikalous term as "ridiculous".

Originally Posted by RichMSN

"You guys are ridiculous."

Memory returned I see. Not at all what you posted.

Were you, btw?