Coach handling??

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Rich,
If you do not understand what it means to want to go unnoticed by players and coaches then I can't help you. Froemming's a legend and some of his quotes are among the most memorable in baseball. The one you displayed is just as easily countered by his tasteless reference to a MLB executive as a "dumb Jew *****". Look it up before and see for yourself. His quotes don't carry the same meaning since I first heard that related to a group of us by an ex-MLB umpire. Still, I admire what he did on the field and I hope he gets in the Hall some day. Froemming worked to be noticed and he was.

Bigger than the game means, "Hey look at me." Bruce did this well. Milt Pappas agrees.

Sorry, but I won't take the bait on the matter of ejecting coaches for what they did prior to a contemporary incident. Best of luck this season.

In other words, you won't answer a tough question. Probably because you used your real name to register here and don't want to say anything that will annoy an NCAA or IHSA assignor. Too bad - I'd like to actually hear your opinion on whether a coach's behavior earlier in the game changes the relationship between coach and umpire later in the game.

[DG]

Worked a summer college league wood bat DH 3-4 years ago, where I tossed the starting pitcher in the 1st inning for cursing at me over a call on the bases.

At the plate meeting for the 2nd game the coach comes out and before handing me the lineup card says he wants to use the starter from the last game since he was tossed so early. It was a statement, but was really a question. I told him that was last game this is this game and I am certainly over it if he is.

Now this is different situation than a coach being a butt early and continuing ast the game goes on. Personal, profane and prolonged with let you tossed. Prolonged can happen in one discussion, or over time as they add up.

If I toss a coach in first game it has little bearing on the second, from my perspective. But during a game the straws can keep piling up until the camel back can't take it anymore. The coaches and players are not bigger than the game either.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DG

Worked a summer college league wood bat DH 3-4 years ago, where I tossed the starting pitcher in the 1st inning for cursing at me over a call on the bases.

At the plate meeting for the 2nd game the coach comes out and before handing me the lineup card says he wants to use the starter from the last game since he was tossed so early. It was a statement, but was really a question. I told him that was last game this is this game and I am certainly over it if he is.

Now this is different situation than a coach being a butt early and continuing ast the game goes on. Personal, profane and prolonged with let you tossed. Prolonged can happen in one discussion, or over time as they add up.

If I toss a coach in first game it has little bearing on the second, from my perspective. But during a game the straws can keep piling up until the camel back can't take it anymore. The coaches and players are not bigger than the game either.

And yet you never hear anyone ask a coach if he's bigger than the game -- even in tirades that end up on SportsCenter. And yet we're accused of it if we even try to demand that players and managers respect the game and show proper decorum.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And yet you never hear anyone ask a coach if he's bigger than the game -- even in tirades that end up on SportsCenter. And yet we're accused of it if we even try to demand that players and managers respect the game and show proper decorum.

What they say: "You're trying to be bigger than the game" or "It's all about you, isn't it"

What they mean: you won't let me get away with whatever crap antics I want to without paying the price

Just more ratspeak. I don't worry too much about it, except when I have a murine partner who is afraid of being "bigger than the game."

[DG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And yet you never hear anyone ask a coach if he's bigger than the game -- even in tirades that end up on SportsCenter. And yet we're accused of it if we even try to demand that players and managers respect the game and show proper decorum.

Exactly. At least Bobby Cox was usually getting ejected to support his players and he knew what he was doing would get him ejected, his players would love him for it, and they would stay in the game.

Earl Weaver was another story...

[MrUmpire]

Rich, I've been accused of thinking I was "bigger than the game" twice. Once was when I called a balk on a Syracuse pitcher for a move in the 9th inning that I called a balk on their opponent in the third inning.

The second time was when I called a runner out at the plate on a ball buster suicide squeeze that would have tied the game.

By my experience and that of others, I've come to see that the accusation of being "bigger than the game" usually is made when an umpire does his job during a critical moment of the game.

As for umpires who make that accusation against other umpires....they're usually Smittys or wannabees.

[David B]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Rich, I've been accused of thinking I was "bigger than the game" twice. Once was when I called a balk on a Syracuse pitcher for a move in the 9th inning that I called a balk on their opponent in the third inning.

The second time was when I called a runner out at the plate on a ball buster suicide squeeze that would have tied the game.

By my experience and that of others, I've come to see that the accusation of being "bigger than the game" usually is made when an umpire does his job during a critical moment of the game.

As for umpires who make that accusation against other umpires....they're usually Smittys or wannabees.

Very perceptive IMO. I agree also. The only times I've had that type of stuff thrown my way was when i actually had to make a "big call" usually in a "big game".

Of course, the reason that you are in position to make that "big call" is because you "are" willing to make the right call at the right time, no matter what coaches, assignors, or anyone else wants to say about it

Thanks
David

[ODJ]

O.P.

Did the catcher do a poor job framing/presenting the pitch? Was it in or outside? Did you simply miss the pitch?

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd like to actually hear your opinion on whether a coach's behavior earlier in the game changes the relationship between coach and umpire later in the game.

As you wish.

In the context of this thread, if a coach wishes to have a discussion about a call, prior to that the same coach has been warned or been given his time to make comment, then the relationship has been framed from communicative to combative.

Anything else, I'll be pleased to answer.