The batter attempts to bunt with 2 strikes but POPS it up

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Plus, the ball is fair or foul as soon as it's touched. It doesn't become caught until some time later (it might be just an instant later).

Exactly. The reason we point fair when it's touched is the player could fall or take a few more steps and run into a fence that separates the player from the ball and we'd have no catch with the player now 10 feet or more in foul ground. Pretty hard to sell a fair ball at this point. Point the ball fair on the touch and follow the rest of the play until we either have a catch or no catch.

[jkumpire]

Gentlemen,

Four pages on this?

Has umpiring and rules knowledge gotten so bad in our country that fundamentals 1st year guys should know before they start umpiring disappeared?

I am concerned.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Gentlemen,

Four pages on this?

Has umpiring and rules knowledge gotten so bad in our country that fundamentals 1st year guys should know before they start umpiring disappeared?

I am concerned.

No need for concern. The number of informed umpires in this thread is far larger than the number of the uninformed and stubborn.

On any board and in any association, there's always one.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Gentlemen,

Four pages on this?

Has umpiring and rules knowledge gotten so bad in our country that fundamentals 1st year guys should know before they start umpiring disappeared?

I am concerned.

Yeah...4 pages to discuss the differentiation in 'touch' and 'catch' on a caught pop up. I've been a little concerned for 2 or three pages now.

[MikeStrybel]

The NCAA test review is out and it seems that I answered this question correctly. I appreciate those of you who offered rulings, even if they weren't relevant to NCAA ball. Good luck this season.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

The NCAA test review is out and it seems that I answered this question correctly. I appreciate those of you who offered rulings, even if they weren't relevant to NCAA ball. Good luck this season.

Can you post the exact wording of this question from the NCAA exam?

[johnnyg08]

Can you post the entire NCAA exam? (not your results, but the questions would be great)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Can you post the entire NCAA exam? (not your results, but the questions would be great)

Only by cutting and pasting every one of 105 (or some such number) question.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by celebur

Can you post the exact wording of this question from the NCAA exam?

My apologies for not posting the entire exam, but it is lengthy.

Here is the question from my 50 questions:

R1. The batter has fouled off the first two sacrifice bunt attempts. The batter attempts to bunt a third time but pops it up where F2 makes the catch in fould territory. R1 was moving on the pitch and F2's throw to first arrives before R1 can get back.

a. The batter is out and the ball is dead immediately.

b. R1 is not called out.

c. The result is an immediate dead ball when the catcher touches the foul pop up.

d. This results in a double play.

The answer is d.

I met with some NCAA officials who had this question too but contend that it was worded poorly. They insist that just because the throw arrived prior to the runner does not mean the runner is out and d assumes something not presented. I guess that means that they believe the play is an immediate dead ball then. Undoubtedly, I will be working the bases when this play happens to them.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

They insist that just because the throw arrived prior to the runner does not mean the runner is out and d assumes something not presented.

Translation: When they took the test they got the answer wrong and are too pig-headed to admit they were wrong.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

My apologies for not posting the entire exam, but it is lengthy.

Here is the question from my 50 questions:

R1. The batter has fouled off the first two sacrifice bunt attempts. The batter attempts to bunt a third time but pops it up where F2 makes the catch in fould territory. R1 was moving on the pitch and F2's throw to first arrives before R1 can get back.

a. The batter is out and the ball is dead immediately.

b. R1 is not called out.

c. The result is an immediate dead ball when the catcher touches the foul pop up.

d. This results in a double play.

The answer is d.

I met with some NCAA officials who had this question too but contend that it was worded poorly. They insist that just because the throw arrived prior to the runner does not mean the runner is out and d assumes something not presented. I guess that means that they believe the play is an immediate dead ball then. Undoubtedly, I will be working the bases when this play happens to them.

I don't see any problem with the wording of this question. It's a foul out and a successful retouch appeal on R1. 2 outs. What does answer "d" assume that wasn't presented? The only thing I can think of is that the question doesn't say the base was tagged. "F2's throw to first arrives before R1 can get back" is enough for me.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

My apologies for not posting the entire exam, but it is lengthy.

Here is the question from my 50 questions:

R1. The batter has fouled off the first two sacrifice bunt attempts. The batter attempts to bunt a third time but pops it up where F2 makes the catch in fould territory. R1 was moving on the pitch and F2's throw to first arrives before R1 can get back.

a. The batter is out and the ball is dead immediately.

b. R1 is not called out.

c. The result is an immediate dead ball when the catcher touches the foul pop up.

d. This results in a double play.

The answer is d.

Did you answer d? I thought you answered that it was a dead ball, and you later said you got it right. But here you say that d is correct, so I'm confused about that.

I met with some NCAA officials who had this question too but contend that it was worded poorly. They insist that just because the throw arrived prior to the runner does not mean the runner is out and d assumes something not presented. I guess that means that they believe the play is an immediate dead ball then. Undoubtedly, I will be working the bases when this play happens to them.

Or it could mean that they think b is correct; that answer does not assume a dead ball, and it does not assume that the appeal was properly executed.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Exactly. The reason we point fair when it's touched is the player could fall or take a few more steps and run into a fence that separates the player from the ball and we'd have no catch with the player now 10 feet or more in foul ground. Pretty hard to sell a fair ball at this point. Point the ball fair on the touch and follow the rest of the play until we either have a catch or no catch.

Yea yea, that too.