Umpire Confrontation

[JR12]

Iv'e been hearing sportscasters saying todays Umpires are more confrontational than ever. I recently found this from the 69 WS. Listen closely around 18 sec mark. You can hear HPU Shag Crawford yell to Earl Weaver (in the dugout) "You shut your God Damn mouth!!!" he then walks over and yells some more while pointing in the dugout.
Of course Weaver then comes out and gets tossed. I think it was the first WS ejection of a manager. Thoughts, comments?

YouTube - Earl Weaver Tribute: 1969 World Series

[johnnyg08]

There's no way they're more confrontational now. I haven't even been alive that long.

I'm a firm believer in not standing there and taking endless abuse. Yes, we have to be composed to a point...but there also comes a time when the umpire has a right to say a few words too w/o being called confrontational.

[Mrumpiresir]

We umpires do not have to take the abuse some coaches want to dish out. Every now and then we are going to miss a call. That does not give a coach the right to come out and unload on us.

I think there are two kinds of coaches, the kind that will come out and discuss the play, and realize we are human and even if they believe we missed the call, will accept it and return to the dugout without throwing a temper tantrum.

Then there are the jerk coaches that come out and argue every close call that doesn't go their way. (Read Daddy coaches). I will run these jerks at the first opportunity because they neeed to learn there are some things a coach cannot do.

[tballump]

Thanks for the video.

God bless Shag Crawford. And Weaver did make the Hall of Fame for Fing up the 71 World Series and did not win more games than he lost in WS (8-9) competition just as Haller said.

Can you find the video and audio of Jerry Crawford from a game of the week years ago. Believe it was the Astros with Niekro pitching. Jerry had a few words for the catcher who was trying to show him up when he thought Jerry missed a pitch. Seems like the catcher had been missing and dropping the ball all day long also.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by JR12

Iv'e been hearing sportscasters saying todays Umpires are more confrontational than ever. I recently found this from the 69 WS. Listen closely around 18 sec mark. You can hear HPU Shag Crawford yell to Earl Weaver (in the dugout) "You shut your God Damn mouth!!!" he then walks over and yells some more while pointing in the dugout.
Of course Weaver then comes out and gets tossed. I think it was the first WS ejection of a manager. Thoughts, comments?

YouTube - Earl Weaver Tribute: 1969 World Series

Earl Weaver seemed uncharacteristically calm in this situation. Could it be he was taking the heat for someone else in the dugout running at the mouth. Of course, Crawford baited Weaver and knew damn well he was going to turn around and toss him. He even looked over his shoulder to see Weaver following him.

Then again, I don't know why an umpire would scream anything at a player or coach, let alone argue with one. An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.

[bbsbvb83]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.

Color me foolish.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bbsbvb83

Color me foolish.

Will do.

Just out of curiousity... why in the world would you ever argue with a coach? Ever? What are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think might be gained?

[DG]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Will do.

Just out of curiousity... why in the world would you ever argue with a coach? Ever? What are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think might be gained?

You never head the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? Sooner or later you learn that the pig likes it.

What does accomplishment have to do with it?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DG

You never head the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? Sooner or later you learn that the pig likes it.

What does accomplishment have to do with it?

My point was - what could you purpose possibly be in arguing with a coach. No good can come of it, and often, bad will come of it.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.

Unfortunately, human beings are used for officiating and not robots.

Never saying never is also foolish too. But it happens all the time, and if it has never happened to you, then I suggest that maybe you haven't done enough games.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Unfortunately, human beings are used for officiating and not robots.

Never saying never is also foolish too. But it happens all the time, and if it has never happened to you, then I suggest that maybe you haven't done enough games.

Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.

Thank you for your input.


(moving on....)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Thank you for your input.


(moving on....)

See, even Upstaters get it.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.

I couldn't agree more, but in 45 years it has never happened to you?

Your my idol.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I couldn't agree more, but in 45 years it has never happened to you?

Didn't really say it "never" happened to me, but then you need to determine to what level of argument we are discussing.

Early on in the 60's when I was young an foolish, I would start to argue, but was too young and naive to get nasty like some of these folks seem to do.

I have never gotten red-in-the-face mad and nose to nose with anyone. I have talked back and occasionally been a smart-***, but it is the years of experience that taught me how to forego the ulcers and high blood pressure.

Every umpire has their own manner of dealing with it, but I'd rather not become the center of attention on the field.