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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 09:05am
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Iv'e been hearing sportscasters saying todays Umpires are more confrontational than ever. I recently found this from the 69 WS. Listen closely around 18 sec mark. You can hear HPU Shag Crawford yell to Earl Weaver (in the dugout) "You shut your God Damn mouth!!!" he then walks over and yells some more while pointing in the dugout.
Of course Weaver then comes out and gets tossed. I think it was the first WS ejection of a manager. Thoughts, comments?

YouTube - Earl Weaver Tribute: 1969 World Series
Earl Weaver seemed uncharacteristically calm in this situation. Could it be he was taking the heat for someone else in the dugout running at the mouth. Of course, Crawford baited Weaver and knew damn well he was going to turn around and toss him. He even looked over his shoulder to see Weaver following him.

Then again, I don't know why an umpire would scream anything at a player or coach, let alone argue with one. An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.
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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 09:36am
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An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.
Color me foolish.
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Old Mon Oct 25, 2010, 03:28pm
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Color me foolish.
Will do.

Just out of curiousity... why in the world would you ever argue with a coach? Ever? What are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think might be gained?
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Old Mon Oct 25, 2010, 10:23pm
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Will do.

Just out of curiousity... why in the world would you ever argue with a coach? Ever? What are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think might be gained?
You never head the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? Sooner or later you learn that the pig likes it.

What does accomplishment have to do with it?
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Old Tue Oct 26, 2010, 10:36am
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You never head the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? Sooner or later you learn that the pig likes it.

What does accomplishment have to do with it?
My point was - what could you purpose possibly be in arguing with a coach. No good can come of it, and often, bad will come of it.
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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 10:38am
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An umpire who argues with anyone on the field is a fool.
Unfortunately, human beings are used for officiating and not robots.

Never saying never is also foolish too. But it happens all the time, and if it has never happened to you, then I suggest that maybe you haven't done enough games.
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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 11:59am
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Unfortunately, human beings are used for officiating and not robots.

Never saying never is also foolish too. But it happens all the time, and if it has never happened to you, then I suggest that maybe you haven't done enough games.
Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.
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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 12:43pm
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Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.
Thank you for your input.


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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 03:20pm
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Thank you for your input.


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See, even Upstaters get it.
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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 09:16pm
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Let's see, I'm in my 45th year of umpiring, baseball and softball. I think I've got enough games under my belt.

I'm not talking about a protest, but when was the last time you saw an umpire lose an argument on the field? So, why get your blood pressure up and risk having a player or manager show you up? Let them have their say, thank them for their input and move on with the game. If they cross the line, simply inform them of their dismissal and get a substitute, if necessary.
I couldn't agree more, but in 45 years it has never happened to you?

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Old Sun Oct 24, 2010, 09:35pm
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I couldn't agree more, but in 45 years it has never happened to you?
Didn't really say it "never" happened to me, but then you need to determine to what level of argument we are discussing.

Early on in the 60's when I was young an foolish, I would start to argue, but was too young and naive to get nasty like some of these folks seem to do.

I have never gotten red-in-the-face mad and nose to nose with anyone. I have talked back and occasionally been a smart-***, but it is the years of experience that taught me how to forego the ulcers and high blood pressure.

Every umpire has their own manner of dealing with it, but I'd rather not become the center of attention on the field.
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Old Mon Oct 25, 2010, 01:34am
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I have never gotten red-in-the-face mad and nose to nose with anyone.
Then you dont know what you are missing. This needs to take place at least once every couple of years or whats the fun in it......
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Then you dont know what you are missing. This needs to take place at least once every couple of years or whats the fun in it......
Now, Jon, remember your blood pressure....

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I suggest that maybe you haven't done enough games.
Holy crap are you freaking kidding?
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