Tampa Bay/NY Jeter HBP?

[NJump]

Name three, any three, MLB players who wouldn't try this exact same thing. If you can, it is because they are not quick enough to try. Plays like this abound in EVERY sport at every level. When was the last time anyone heard a player say, " It hit my bat first. I'll just stay here." The player is "selling", doesn't mean the official has to buy. Youtube has a college player acting like he needs a trip to ER, but the ump AIN'T buying. Last time I looked, one team tries to beat the other. How they try is why there are officials. And RULES. If you ain't breaking the rules, then you are SIMPLY trying to win. What a concept!!!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by NJump

Plays like this abound in EVERY sport at every level.

The soccer player who takes a dive after minor contact, if any, and stays on the ground, rolling around in pain trying to get a penalty against his opponent.

The basketball defender who takes the charge on the player going down the lane falling into a gruesome heap even though he was barely touched in order to draw the charge.

The football player who catches the ball on the short hop and comes up holding it high for everyone to see proving he caught it even though he knows he didn't.

The hockey player who leaps in the air and slides half-way down the ice on an “obvious” trip.

Is this because it's Derek Cheater? A Yankee? A superstar?

[txump81]

Didn't have a chance to read this whole discussion, but here is my .02.

Good sell by Jeter. As an umpire, you should use more than your eyes to make calls. I heard the crack of ball meeting bat pretty clear on the video. So no HBP. When Jeter starts hopping around, I would probably give him a HBP, but the ball hit the bat first, so "Strike". It's all part of the game.

I would have liked to hear the conversation between Jeter and the trainer.

"Where'd it get you?"
"Right here on the hand"
"I don't see any bruising or feel any fractured bones."
"Well that @#$%^&* hurt."
"I'll be OK"

Maybe it was premeditated and the trainer was in on it?!? What's the difference in this and a fielder making a "tag" but missing the runner and then throwing to the next base for a double play. A good fielder will sell the tag.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by txump81

Didn't have a chance to read this whole discussion, but here is my .02.

Good sell by Jeter. As an umpire, you should use more than your eyes to make calls. I heard the crack of ball meeting bat pretty clear on the video. So no HBP. When Jeter starts hopping around, I would probably give him a HBP, but the ball hit the bat first, so "Strike". It's all part of the game.

I would have liked to hear the conversation between Jeter and the trainer.

"Where'd it get you?"
"Right here on the hand"
"I don't see any bruising or feel any fractured bones."
"Well that @#$%^&* hurt."
"I'll be OK"

Maybe it was premeditated and the trainer was in on it?!? What's the difference in this and a fielder making a "tag" but missing the runner and then throwing to the next base for a double play. A good fielder will sell the tag.

Except that a ball hitting a hand sounds very much like a ball hitting a bat. No way the PU can use sound to rule out it hitting Jeter's hand.

[WilliamK]

Does anybody else find it funny that in both replays. The two different anouncers thought it hit him in normal speed! But after multiple slomo replays they become experts on the play. Not that we shoud give a rats what anouncers have to say. But the one guy says something like "that's big of you you miss the call and now Joe gets tossed" wasn't he the same guy who said Jeter just got nailed when it happened in normal speed, so in fact his call would have been the same as the PU!

[Jurassic Referee]

Interesting article....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Some good points, I thought. Is there gonna be a 4-page thread here everytime an MLB outfielder tries to sell a trapped ball as a catch? A catcher pulls a pitch? Someone tries to sell a phantom tag?

Or is it only Jeter?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by WilliamK

Does anybody else find it funny that in both replays. The two different anouncers thought it hit him in normal speed! But after multiple slomo replays they become experts on the play. Not that we shoud give a rats what anouncers have to say. But the one guy says something like "that's big of you you miss the call and now Joe gets tossed" wasn't he the same guy who said Jeter just got nailed when it happened in normal speed, so in fact his call would have been the same as the PU!

I always find it funny when commentators want to tell umpires when and when they should not toss people. As if the only reason they are tossing them is because of a missed call. Not that the manager or player is in their face or anything and will not let the silly issue go.

Peace

[David B]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Except that a ball hitting a hand sounds very much like a ball hitting a bat. No way the PU can use sound to rule out it hitting Jeter's hand.

Absolutely hilarious to read on ESPN what guys have said, and then this morning on Sportscenter having a whole segment on this play.

This happens everyday in MLB. These guys must have never played ball or something.

What's next, every flop in basketball gonna be replayed, and in football every time the DL fakes that he's being held ... love the guy didn't catch his name who tells of how he pushed the referee into the hole to plug the hole in football ...

Thanks
David