Tampa Bay/NY Jeter HBP?

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Jeter has fooled more fans into thinking he was Mr. Clean since John Stockton. He is, and has been, a lying rat, no better than any other.

come on it is just a HBP.. it's part of the game, it doesn't make him a bad guy, he is trying to get on base any way he can..

[rbmartin]

This is kinda like a defensive player in basketball "flopping". It's part of the game but it decreases my respect for the "actor".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

This is kinda like a defensive player in basketball "flopping". It's part of the game but it decreases my respect for the "actor".

Disagree. "Faking being fouled" is a technical foul in basketball; it's rarely called because very few players actually flop without any contact. Typically, they exaggerate the contact by falling backwards; but there's contact.
Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

[MrUmpire]

I realize lying is part of the game. Some players are really good at it.

I have no real issue with Derek Jeter accepting a free base offered by an umpire who screwed up. That is also part of the game.

But, Jesus, at least take the dress off and drop the purse and go to first like you had a pair.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. "Faking being fouled" is a technical foul in basketball; it's rarely called because very few players actually flop without any contact. Typically, they exaggerate the contact by falling backwards; but there's contact.
Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

They are not equivalent if it is against the rules in one sport but not the other. That doesn't mean Jeter isn't a lying RAT. They all are. And I'm a Yanks fan for 50+ years.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

Really?

He had to jacknife out of the way of the ball and it did hit the bat while in one of his hands. It's not like it wasn't even close.

Oh wait - jusy another Jeter-Hater in action. Never mind.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Really?

He had to jacknife out of the way of the ball and it did hit the bat while in one of his hands. .

Thank God he didn't hurt his mangina.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. "Faking being fouled" is a technical foul in basketball; it's rarely called because very few players actually flop without any contact. Typically, they exaggerate the contact by falling backwards; but there's contact.
Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

Is "faking being fouled" a "T" at the NBA level?

You can't equate high school rules with pro rules. You can't equate amateur philosophies with pro philosophies either. And you sureheck can't equate what is illegal in high school basketball with what is commonly accepted in professional beisbol. They fake catches on trapped balls all the time. They have phantom tags. Every catcher in the bigs pulls pitches. And hitters taking a couple of steps to first after taking on a 3-1 count trying to draw a walk is about as commonplace as you can get. Do you propose that baseball should make up some kinda rule penalizing players for doing something like that, something players having been doing since the Babe Ruth era?

Apples and watermelons!

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

come on it is just a HBP.. it's part of the game, it doesn't make him a bad guy, he is trying to get on base any way he can..

Of course it's part of the game. But it does go to show that Jeter's not the paragon of virtue that some people make him out to be (including some people on this forum).

[MD Longhorn]

Wow...

I'm near the front of the line on Jeter-hating... but this has gotten silly. Local radio station has even been talking about Jeter's cheating all morning.

Good grief. This no more tarnishes his "paragon of virtue" than would a fielder, knowing he didn't catch a fly ball, who lifts his glove up as if to say "I Caught it!" or someone knowing they didn't catch the ball before the runner passed the base jogging off like he'd made the out.

This is not cheating, or even unethical.

[jicecone]

I am more than sure his contracts rewards him for getting on base more than not getting on base. I am also sure it doesn't say how, either.

Anyone out there that believes this is a travesty of the game well, grow up. As we always say here, show me the rule violation or reference that says this is not allowed.

Obviously a tough call because, none of them seen it and of course the trained eye in a replay is always better than live action.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I am more than sure his contracts rewards him for getting on base more than not getting on base. I am also sure it doesn't say how, either.

Anyone out there that believes this is a travesty of the game well, grow up. As we always say here, show me the rule violation or reference that says this is not allowed.

Obviously a tough call because, none of them seen it and of course the trained eye in a replay is always better than live action.

I don't think it's a travesty -- I do think that Jeter invoking the trainer is the baseball equivalent of the soccer player going down like he's shot until the referee books the opponent. It cheapens the sport and lowers my respect for Jeter. I mean, Jeter was *immediately* awarded the base - the rest of the histrionics were unnecessary.

For those of you saying you'd call out "Dead ball," please don't. The proper baseball call is "Time."

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For those of you saying you'd call out "Dead ball," please don't. The proper baseball call is "Time."

Thank you, I was looking for my shovel. LOL

[Publius]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For those of you saying you'd call out "Dead ball," please don't. The proper baseball call is "Time."

While you are "correct", and I use "time" out of longstanding habit, we'd all be better served to stop encouraging these form-over-substance distinctions. There is absolutely no difference in the outcome of the two pronouncements, and nobody is confused by either.

Heck, custom and practice notwithstanding, a case can be made for "dead ball" being better. Sometimes the ball becomes dead by rule, and sometimes by a call of "time". If it's by rule, as when the pitch hits the batter, "time" is superfluous; no need to call it when play is already dead.

"Time" causes a dead ball; "dead ball" is giving information.

[grunewar]

Jeter's behavior has been one of the lead stories on every ESPN show today to include interviews with many athletes. There are generally two schools of thought:

1) How could he, cheating is wrong!

2) I'd do almost anything, including cheat, to help my team win!

And I gotta tell ya, more athletes are going for #2.

Kornheiser - "Derek Cheater"