Tampa Bay/NY Jeter HBP?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Also not new. Been doing it his whole career.

Jeter has fooled more fans into thinking he was Mr. Clean since John Stockton. He is, and has been, a lying rat, no better than any other.

[BSUmp16]

Hey - Players will do what players will do - that is why we umpires have to make the call as we see it and not as it's sold to us. Can't fault Jeter - he's trying to get on base. It's the umpire's responsibility to get that call right regardless of the theatrics.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Hey - Players will do what players will do - that is why we umpires have to make the call as we see it and not as it's sold to us. Can't fault Jeter - he's trying to get on base. It's the umpire's responsibility to get that call right regardless of the theatrics.

Enabler.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Jeter has fooled more fans into thinking he was Mr. Clean since John Stockton. He is, and has been, a lying rat, no better than any other.

MrUmpire:

You are not a Mets fan are you?

MTD, Sr.

[BK47]

well, my first initial call would be "Point Fair" for fair ball, however after seeing the video many more times I would then have to say, "Dead Ball" as I can see the ball hitting the bat but then bouncing off of Jeter which gives me a strike on the count and a dead ball as it hit him while he was still in the box.

I got fooled once on a play like this and told myself "Never Again". I can hear it hitting the bat, and I am part deaf but even I heard that.

thats just my 2 cents worth.

[rbmartin]

I think this is a good learning opportunity for umpires to watch the play and not to rely on a players reaction. I'm not saying this was an easy call (in real time) for the HP ump, I really think one of the field umpires should have been more observant.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

I think this is a good learning opportunity for umpires to watch the play and not to rely on a players reaction. I'm not saying this was an easy call (in real time) for the HP ump, I really think one of the field umpires should have been more observant.

Base umpires can seldom help on a HBP like this one. The plate guy either gets it right or gets it wrong. Eyes, ears, AND batter reaction all factor in making this call, and no matter how good you are you'll still miss this one now and then.

JJ

[David B]

Originally Posted by JJ

Base umpires can seldom help on a HBP like this one. The plate guy either gets it right or gets it wrong. Eyes, ears, AND batter reaction all factor in making this call, and no matter how good you are you'll still miss this one now and then.

JJ

yep happens every year a couple of times. I tell players all the time (not during a game of course) you have to sell that call to get it.

Same as the bounced throw in the dirt, no way to tell if it hit the foot, but if the batter immediately starts hobbling to first he usually is going to get the base.

Oh forgot to add game two weeks ago and almost same play but I knew it hit the bat and then bounced and hit his hand/arm. Coach goes ballistic and I simply say sorry it hit the bat.
As kid is coming back to bat (he had run towards first) coach asks and he says, "no coach it hit the bat first." Every once in a while we get a little redemption.

Thansk
David

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by JJ

Eyes, ears, AND batter reaction all factor in making this call,...
JJ

Hopefully with a LOT more emphasis on Eyes and Ears.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MrUmpire:

You are not a Mets fan are you?

MTD, Sr.

Nope.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Jeter has fooled more fans into thinking he was Mr. Clean since John Stockton. He is, and has been, a lying rat, no better than any other.

come on it is just a HBP.. it's part of the game, it doesn't make him a bad guy, he is trying to get on base any way he can..

[rbmartin]

This is kinda like a defensive player in basketball "flopping". It's part of the game but it decreases my respect for the "actor".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

This is kinda like a defensive player in basketball "flopping". It's part of the game but it decreases my respect for the "actor".

Disagree. "Faking being fouled" is a technical foul in basketball; it's rarely called because very few players actually flop without any contact. Typically, they exaggerate the contact by falling backwards; but there's contact.
Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

[MrUmpire]

I realize lying is part of the game. Some players are really good at it.

I have no real issue with Derek Jeter accepting a free base offered by an umpire who screwed up. That is also part of the game.

But, Jesus, at least take the dress off and drop the purse and go to first like you had a pair.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. "Faking being fouled" is a technical foul in basketball; it's rarely called because very few players actually flop without any contact. Typically, they exaggerate the contact by falling backwards; but there's contact.
Jeter's move is the equivalent of falling (along with the gutteral scream) without any contact at all.

They are not equivalent if it is against the rules in one sport but not the other. That doesn't mean Jeter isn't a lying RAT. They all are. And I'm a Yanks fan for 50+ years.