No thread about Bob Davidson ejecting a fan?

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

The umpire has total authority to manage the game. If the fan was causing a problem, then the Security folks should have handled it. Since they didn't, Davidson is totally within his right to have that fan removed.

Aren't we all getting a little tired of the jerks that learn the rules from idiots such as Tim McCarver, and think they can call balls and strikes from 200 ft away?

I do find that my tolerance for chirping decreases as the season nears the end and understand why Davidson would have this drunken, loud mouthed jerk ejected so that he could no longer interfere with the game.

I think we can all agree (perhaps some will not) that this was a special case that required special action, and that the slur went way beyond mere chirping. One shouldn't be reluctant to step in immediately in such a case, nor should he feel it is not within the scope of his duties to do so. I suppose there are umpires who lack the instincts and fortitude to step in, but most are instinctive and courageous.

Bob Davidson is now their example of how a slur is handled.

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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

nor should he feel it is not within the scope of his duties to do so.

Except that it isn't.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty
nor should he feel it is not within the scope of his duties to do so.

mbcrowder: Except that it isn't.

Why quibble over the minor details that the umpire has no authority, no training and no business doing this?

[Tim C]

"Just curious as to what capacity you acted as a MiBL "fill in"?"

UTT be a little careful . . . here in Portland last summer we had one of our better college umpires work more than 25 games in the PCL . . . and that's AAA level baseball.

I also know of a few guys that post here that are in towns with AA teams and they have also been asked to fill in.

I filled in in the California Long A in the '80s and did 25 games.

ALTHOUGH Washburn shows his true colors and admits to scabbing games in his latest post.

T

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Tim C

UTT be a little careful . . . here in Portland last summer we had one of our better college umpires work more than 25 games in the PCL . . . and that's AAA level baseball.

I also know of a few guys that post here that are in towns with AA teams and they have also been asked to fill in.

I filled in in the California Long A in the '80s and did 25 games.

ALTHOUGH Washburn shows his true colors and admits to scabbing games in his latest post.

T

That's right Tim. I showed my true colors by working games that no one else wanted to work. I showed my true colors by saying that I did something that was the 100% right thing to do.

You show your true colors by calling me a name like a school child instead of actually having the discussion. The same reason that union thugs want Card Check...to force people to do what they want instead of persuading them with logic and reason-because theere is no logic and reason to your case.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

That's right Tim. I showed my true colors by working games that no one else wanted to work. I showed my true colors by saying that I did something that was the 100% right thing to do.

You show your true colors by calling me a name like a school child instead of actually having the discussion. The same reason that union thugs want Card Check...to force people to do what they want instead of persuading them with logic and reason-because theere is no logic and reason to your case.

You repeatedly called Davidson a cartoon but when someone calls you a name, they're like a school child.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by Tim C

UTT be a little careful . . . here in Portland last summer we had one of our better college umpires work more than 25 games in the PCL . . . and that's AAA level baseball.

I also know of a few guys that post here that are in towns with AA teams and they have also been asked to fill in.

I filled in in the California Long A in the '80s and did 25 games.

ALTHOUGH Washburn shows his true colors and admits to scabbing games in his latest post.

T

I understand what you are saying and know that there are fill ins. However, they are not low level college and HS umpires.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

I understand what you are saying and know that there are fill ins. However, they are not low level college and HS umpires.

You're right about the fill-ins. I think it is safe to say that many of the higher levels umpires more than likely refused to cross the picket line when asked. Therefore, they were forced to make do with the few low rent scumbags they could scrounge up.

Hell, they probably hired them over the phone.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

You're right about the fill-ins. I think it is safe to say that many of the higher levels umpires more than likely refused to cross the picket line when asked. Therefore, they were forced to make do with the few low rent scumbags they could scrounge up.

Hell, they probably hired them over the phone.

Being called that by you is like manna from heaven. You have made my day, Mr. Tyler...Ice cream with the kids and another insult by you...I know I am living right. You are like Ted Kennedy or the Teacher's Union...If I am on the other side, I could not possibly be wrong.

[jwwashburn]

Ok, if this is what the guy said...I take back everything I said about Davidson-because i was WAY too light on him.

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This ranks as obnoxious but, good grief...no way was Molina going to climb into the stands over this.

Davidson says 10 times worse than this ordering breakfast.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by Tim C

UTT be a little careful . . . here in Portland last summer we had one of our better college umpires work more than 25 games in the PCL . . . and that's AAA level baseball.

I also know of a few guys that post here that are in towns with AA teams and they have also been asked to fill in.

I filled in in the California Long A in the '80s and did 25 games.

ALTHOUGH Washburn shows his true colors and admits to scabbing games in his latest post.

T

And he might get another chance in 2012. Better keep his gear warm.

Rather than figure out how to get on the "fill in list" (by being an exceptional local amateur umpire) to work games when umpires are sick or injured in the leagues in their area, many choose to take advantage of a situation that should be taken care of by the umpires and their employer without interference. They can use players and coaches and managers to work the games while the umpires and management negotiate a settlement that is fair to both sides or just wait for a settlement period.

The poor MiLB guys make (per their website) $85-$110 per game in AAA, 75-85 in AA, and 65-75 in A ball and 60-65 in short A.
The major D1 Conferences pay $350 for a Conference game, a car for the CC, plus free room and 50 per diem for meals and free airfare if you live over the driving mileage limit.

Since JWW is the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone else is terrible, I have trouble wondering why he has any trouble getting the absolute highest level of amateur baseball, with a schedule of the top amateur games all over this country where he can continually showcase all his knowledge and expertise as an amateur umpire. With the greatest amateur schedule with the highest level of amateur ball around, I just don't understand how he has time to fit in any other games whatsoever, no matter the level involved.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by tballump

Since JWW is the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone else is terrible, I have trouble wondering why he has any trouble getting the absolute highest level of amateur baseball, with a schedule of the top amateur games all over this country where he can continually showcase all his knowledge and expertise as an amateur umpire. With the greatest amateur schedule with the highest level of amateur ball around, I just don't understand how he has time to fit in any other games whatsoever, no matter the level involved.

You are basing your opinion of me on....well, not on anything I have said or implied. If you think I have a too high opition of myself as an umpire, you have just made that up. I have not once said or implied anything like that. I am an above average High School umpire who has tries to dress and act professionally and have a good knowledge of the rules. I have worked with lots of guys a lot better than me and I have always tried to learn from them.

My point about guys like Davidson is that he embarrasses all of us with his antics. It is the knuckleheaded umpires like him who get all of the attention. I have no respect for guys like him, always looking for ways to get attention-good grief, buy a Mach 5 and shave, Bob!

As for serving as a fill-in umpire in the MiLB in 2012...no way. My job and my lower back would make that impossible.

Unions think they should get to make the rules and we should all just obey their sets of standards without question. If the MiLB umpires vow to do no other work for any other employer during their strike, I could see honoring their strike. If they, however, work any job anywhere then, the games are fair game. If an MiLB guy gets a job at a gas station, then someone cannot...but, then he wants to demand that no one go work the baseball games that he refused to work? Union members live in a dreamland.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

My point about guys like Davidson is that he embarrasses all of us with his antics. It is the knuckleheaded umpires like him who get all of the attention. I have no respect for guys like him, always looking for ways to get attention-good grief, buy a Mach 5 and shave, Bob!

Your point has been well established: You are BIASED against Bob Davidson, and no matter what he does, even if it's right, you will rip him. That's what biased people like you do. That's okay, because bias, prejudice, bigotry--whatever narrow-minded practice you choose--are allowed in a free society. Expressing views that result from such bias is also allowed on many fronts, including this one.

However, on most issues, when biased people like you encounter unbiased, objective, mature, fair-minded people, there are going to be obvious problems. Being a biased person, you should have plenty of experience with that. I'm surprised that you are reacting so harshly.

[For the record, I'm usually one of old Bob's critics, but this time, he stepped up and showed what any courageous, conscious umpire should do when a slur is hurled and no policeman or security person does anything about it: you order the incompetent policeman to do what he's supposed to do. I've supervised incompetent police in everyday life on a few occasions, and I certainly will in such an instance in a baseball setting.]

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Your point has been well established: You are BIASED against Bob Davidson, and no matter what he does, even if it's right, you will rip him. That's what biased people like you do. That's okay, because bias, prejudice, bigotry--whatever narrow-minded practice you choose--are allowed in a free society. Expressing views that result from such bias is also allowed on many fronts, including this one.

However, on most issues, when biased people like you encounter unbiased, objective, mature, fair-minded people, there are going to be obvious problems. Being a biased person, you should have plenty of experience with that. I'm surprised that you are reacting so harshly.

[For the record, I'm usually one of old Bob's critics, but this time, he stepped up and showed what any courageous, conscious umpire should do when a slur is hurled and no policeman or security person does anything about it: you order the incompetent policeman to do what he's supposed to do. I've supervised incompetent police in everyday life on a few occasions, and I certainly will in such an instance in a baseball setting.]

The arrogance here is astonishing.

Of COURSE I am biased! So are you, so is everyone else.

You are just too full of yourself to realize.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

You are basing your opinion of me on....well, not on anything I have said or implied. If you think I have a too high opition of myself as an umpire, you have just made that up. I have not once said or implied anything like that. I am an above average High School umpire who has tries to dress and act professionally and have a good knowledge of the rules. I have worked with lots of guys a lot better than me and I have always tried to learn from them.

My point about guys like Davidson is that he embarrasses all of us with his antics. It is the knuckleheaded umpires like him who get all of the attention. I have no respect for guys like him, always looking for ways to get attention-good grief, buy a Mach 5 and shave, Bob!

As for serving as a fill-in umpire in the MiLB in 2012...no way. My job and my lower back would make that impossible.

Unions think they should get to make the rules and we should all just obey their sets of standards without question. If the MiLB umpires vow to do no other work for any other employer during their strike, I could see honoring their strike. If they, however, work any job anywhere then, the games are fair game. If an MiLB guy gets a job at a gas station, then someone cannot...but, then he wants to demand that no one go work the baseball games that he refused to work? Union members live in a dreamland.

If your job and lower back make that impossible at the MiLB level, then why don't you hang it up. You owe it to the HS kids to get out also.

So, this measure with MiLB was strickly a FYMiLBU. You could have cared less about working the games, but you did it out of spite. Pity, since you have a "full" schedule anyway, that you did this to spite the little MiLB guy. Let those guys who don't have a full schedule of games like the volunteer Little League guys that only work a game or two a week go try if that is your point, although I do not condone them working either. Let them go, you do not need to go with your full schedule. Don't do the other guys dirty work for them. Pitiful, the reason why you did it. Just to get even.
And pity the people that work 3 part time jobs in this country just to make ends meet, and 1 of the part time jobs just happen to be a union job and they are out on strike. This means that they are fair game for people who already have 40 hour jobs and just want to step over and make some quick cash at the strikers part time union job during the strike, since the strikers are working 2 other part time jobs to make ends meet. This is done just to spite them and get even with them for having a part time union job. Pitiful.