ejecting a coach

[johnfox]

can anyone tell me what the procdure is for a coach that gets 2 direct t's, and refuses to leave the playing area? is there any kind of time limit the officials have to give him before he leaves? by the way, he got a third t from my partner on the way out for calling him a SOB

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by johnfox
can anyone tell me what the procdure is for a coach that gets 2 direct t's, and refuses to leave the playing area? is there any kind of time limit the officials have to give him before he leaves? by the way, he got a third t from my partner on the way out for calling him a SOB

1- You can inform the coach that he has X minutes to leave.

2- You can ask game management to remove him.

3- The referee can forfeit the game if the coach refuses to leave.

[Tim Roden]

I did have the unforntunate responsibility of telling the coach to leave the floor last week at a game. He left volentarily so I was fortunate. I would first of all look for a uniformed police officer to escourt him from the floor. Second I would look for game management. Not finding either of those, I would inform the coach that he can either leave or his team may forfet the game. Giving him the choice, he knows what his options are. Now there is also the situation when there is noone else in the building to take over his team. I believe we do have a forfet there but I would like to know how to handle that situation.

[Mark Dexter]

Didn't we discuss the requirements for a coach back when we talked about "seatbelting" carrying over to a replacement coach?

This is something that the state association should be responsible for (I believe that for CT's state tourney, a team has 15 minutes to get a certified coach or they forfeit).

In no circumstances would I let play continue without some sort of adult who represents the school on the bench!!

[williebfree]

Your progression of options seems logical to me and within the rules of the game.

Working in Central WI, it is rare to see a uniformed officer at a Varsity game; and even less likely at lower level games. In fact, is is not uncommon to have the home coach as "game management" for games below the JV level.

If a coach has just "earned" an ejection and there is no other adult bench personnel, I would declare the game a forfiet; especially at lower level games.

Once I was securely away from the court, I would be sure to jot down as much as I could recall about the situation. (Required by our state association for our H.S and M.S. games.) It is likely that you will be asked to submit documentation about the incident from other venues who have a vested interest; i.e. ADs from the "offending" team's hometown, etc.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by williebfree
Working in Central WI, it is rare to see a uniformed officer at a Varsity game; and even less likely at lower level games. In fact, is is not uncommon to have the home coach as "game management" for games below the JV level.

Wow! In NC, not only is a uniformed officer required to be in the gym, they are required to escort us to the dressing room after the game. We don't start the game if an officer isn't present and the school can be fined if we don't have an escort afterwards.

[crew]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef

1- You can inform the coach that he has X minutes to leave.
2- You can ask game management to remove him.
3- The referee can forfeit the game if the coach refuses to leave.

i agree on this.

i would inform the coach that he can leave or his team can forfeit the game

i would add this to #3 as well.

[zebraman]

IMHO, I would not ask a uniformed officer to escort the coach out. The coach hasn't committed a community crime, just a basketball "crime."

If the coach doesn't leave, I go tell the team captain that if the coach doesn't leave, the game will be forfeited. I tell that to the assistant coach and the gym manager too. If none of them can get the coach to leave after a reasonable amount of time, then the refs leave (forfeit).

Z

[Mark Padgett]

If he doesn't leave, stare at his pants then puke on his shoes.

But let's say he doesn't have any pants or shoes on, then what do you do? Tell him for every five seconds he stands there refusing to leave, you will call a team technical.

If he still refuses to leave, tell him the game is forfeit, you are going to see to it he is suspended from coaching for life, you will follow him to his house and burn it down and see to it that his son, the star player, has to go to Texas Tech.

There - that last one should be enough of a scare to get some action.

[Doug]

I officiate in Central Wisconsin also, and I have never seen a uniformed officer or anyone like that at any game I have ever reffed or watched. First ask the coach to leave, if he does not, ask game management to remove him (atletic director (usually in my area) or another adult in charge of the game. If he still won't leave, either forfeit the game or call the police and get him removed, if police aren't already at your game site. It is sad when it comes to calling the po's, but it is your job to keep the game safe, an enraged coach isn't safe. good luck

Doug

[Huskerblue]

I wouldn't have called the 3rd T for the SOB remark. He is already gone. Don't add more fuel to an already out of control fire. Don't penalize the kids on the team for their coach being a complete idiot.

[Tim Roden]

Three T's is a viable option. Ted Valantine did it to Bobby Knight. As far as uniformed officer's. I rarely saw them in Colorado except in the Denver PS league. I do see them quite often in Texas. After working here a month and a half, I know why.

[crew]

Originally posted by Huskerblue
I wouldn't have called the 3rd T for the SOB remark. He is already gone. Don't add more fuel to an already out of control fire. Don't penalize the kids on the team for their coach being a complete idiot.

i agree i would not call a 3rd tech on the coach, he is already ejected.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by crew

i agree i would not call a 3rd tech on the coach, he is already ejected.

Ejected but still there. Until he leaves the confines of the court he is still is subject to the rules of the game.

What is the line that he has to cross before you will uphold the integrity of the game? He has already been told, with the second T, to leave and you are saying that he can take a shot at you and get away with it. Maybe in the NBA but not on my court.

[Mark Padgett]

As long-time ref Ed Hightower has said, "The purpose of a technical foul is to stop bad behavior. If you can stop the bad behavior without calling the technical, you're that much ahead."

I think you could make a good case that calling the 3rd T on that howler monkey as he left might help hammer the point in that you are not going to tolerate this, and it might act as a deterrent in the future. If you don't call the T then, he will continue to think he can say those kinds of things anytime he is ejected and there will be no penalty. In my (slowly deteriorating) mind, not calling the T in that instance would not stop the bad behavior.

When you get a coach who acts like that, you must take the advice of that sage, Barney Fife, who says to, "Nip it, nip it in the bud."