Called out for Missing Third

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

When is the last time you saw Jerry Layne hustle out from behind home plate? He had to stay because of the potential runner scoring.

Never, I don't know Jerry Layne if he was sitting in my living room.

Why would the MLB umpires rule any different than how we're saying that we would on this play (ie, "150% sure that he missed it") without talking to them, it would be safe to say that they'd agree w/ that philosophy unless somebody else can prove that philosophy to be wrong.

I will never call anybody out on a missed base appeal unless I'm 100% sure it was a missed base.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Never, I don't know Jerry Layne if he was sitting in my living room.

Why would the MLB umpires rule any different than how we're saying that we would on this play (ie, "150% sure that he missed it") without talking to them, it would be safe to say that they'd agree w/ that philosophy unless somebody else can prove that philosophy to be wrong.

I will never call anybody out on a missed base appeal unless I'm 100% sure it was a missed base.

If you can watch the real time video from 100 feet away and tell me that you are 100% sure he missed the base I will agree with you. But after watching the play in slow motion I still can't tell if he touched it our not...it is that close.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If you can watch the real time video from 100 feet away and tell me that you are 100% sure he missed the base I will agree with you. But after watching the play in slow motion I still can't tell if he touched it our not...it is that close.

I get your point, but neither camera angle was from the same angle as Layne so it's an unfair comparison. I can't tell from the camera angles either, but Layne was in proper position to see the touch/miss. Was there another place he could've been to still see the touch at home plate? I don't know 4 man mechanics.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I get your point, but neither camera angle was from the same angle as Layne so it's an unfair comparison. I can't tell from the camera angles either, but Layne was in proper position to see the touch/miss. Was there another place he could've been to still see the touch at home plate? I don't know 4 man mechanics.

I think Layne was in the proper spot and the 2nd base umpire had the batter-runner going into 2nd.

[MD Longhorn]

Obviously the replay angles we have don't show squat, and would not overturn this call no matter what direction the call went.

Consider this, however... how often do you see players in MLB throw to a base to appeal a missed base? Leaving early - yes, occasionally... but missed base - dang near never. So it must have been apparent from OTHER angles as well that the base was missed - or the defense wouldn't have bothered.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Obviously the replay angles we have don't show squat, and would not overturn this call no matter what direction the call went.

Consider this, however... how often do you see players in MLB throw to a base to appeal a missed base? Leaving early - yes, occasionally... but missed base - dang near never. So it must have been apparent from OTHER angles as well that the base was missed - or the defense wouldn't have bothered.

What do the Diamondbacks have to lose...another game?

[johnnyg08]

Heck against the 1st place team, they have nothing to lose, but they're not going to waste their time either.

[David B]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I think Layne was in the proper spot and the 2nd base umpire had the batter-runner going into 2nd.

Well and the simple fact that the play was appealed means that someone else saw him miss it as well. MLB is not in the habit of making appeals unless someone on the field or a dugout spy saw the miss pretty obviously.

Thanks
David

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David B

Well and the simple fact that the play was appealed means that someone else saw him miss it as well. MLB is not in the habit of making appeals unless someone on the field or a dugout spy saw the miss pretty obviously.

Thanks
David

Methinks there's an echo in here.

[johnnyg08]

From what I can see, he was lined up 3blx and looking right at R2 for the touch. Yes, he was over 100' away from the touch, so R2 must have missed it by a lot. As soon as F1 stepped off to execute the appeal, he knew he had the call, stepped toward 3B and banged him out. As others have stated, replay is inconclusive. Assuming they're going to use replay for this type of thing, they're going to need overhead cameras at each base to give them a respectable angle that can't be obtained by an umpire at field level.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

From what I can see, he was lined up 3blx and looking right at R2 for the touch. Yes, he was over 100' away from the touch, so R2 must have missed it by a lot. As soon as F1 stepped off to execute the appeal, he knew he had the call, stepped toward 3B and banged him out. As others have stated, replay is inconclusive. Assuming they're going to use replay for this type of thing, they're going to need overhead cameras at each base to give them a respectable angle that can't be obtained by an umpire at field level.

If this play was reviewed by the NFL it was not have been overturned...is the evidence conclusive? Did you watch the video? If he misses the bag, and I am not saying he did, it is not by a lot.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If this play was reviewed by the NFL it was not have been overturned...is the evidence conclusive? Did you watch the video? If he misses the bag, and I am not saying he did, it is not by a lot.

You're right, I'll amend my post by saying that I'd guarantee you that Layne called what he saw which was the runner missing the base, either by a foot or by an inch...point being, he saw him miss the base and properly called him out on appeal.

cameras are inconclusive so it wouldn't have been overturned on any type of replay...same as the NFL as I think you stated above.