appeal play

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Isn't R1 a preceeding runner to BR? Can any run score when a preceeding runner has made the third out?

is the sarcastic wise *ss reply necessary???

a simple, "no, the run doesnt count" would suffice just fine.

not that its gonna matter to you one bit bc you are firmly affixed to your high horse, but i was reading a thread on another forum and saw this question. i knew of this forum so i figured id ask here to help the other person out.

that being said, if you truly dont know and were asking a legitimate question, i apologize. but, if that is the case, there is no need to re ask the same question i asked in the first place.

[celebur]

He wasn't being sarcastic--he was trying to point you to the rules basis so that you could figure it out for yourself, which will likely stick with you better than if he had just answered, "No."

Edit: By the way, you didn't mention a rule set, so assuming OBR, this would be rule 4.09a, which I'll quote below:

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

Your play exactly matches exception #3.

[UmpJM]

steveshane67,

If you're too lazy to look it up yourself there's no reason to accuse bob of being a "wise a$$" or suggesting he is "firmly affixed to (his) high horse" - because he's not.

You might want to read Rule 7.12 .

JM

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

steveshane67,

If you're too lazy to look it up yourself there's no reason to accuse bob of being a "wise a$$" or suggesting he is "firmly affixed to (his) high horse" - because he's not.

You might want to read Rule 7.12 .

JM

did it ever occur to you that someone might have tried to search for it but didnt see it and didnt feel like thoroughly reading through 13 pages of rules (sec 7 is 13 pages) when they could spend 5 seconds posting a question on a rules forum.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

did it ever occur to you that someone might have tried to search for it but didnt see it and didnt feel like thoroughly reading through 13 pages of rules (sec 7 is 13 pages) when they could spend 5 seconds posting a question on a rules forum.

steveshane,

Yes, it did.

You're welcome.

JM

[johnnyg08]

Or you could go to MLB.com which has fully searchable pdf's for your reading pleasure.

[johnnyg08]

another way to ask your question is to post a few rules that you already looked up and couldn't figure them out. you'll get a lot more credit on here for at least attempting to do some leg work on your own first.

yes, it is faster sometimes to just ask on here...but many on here will teach you to fish as well. I've always learned more when I read about the rule and the ridiculous amount of manuals I've purchase over the last few years.

lighten up on Bob...it's good to make friends on here

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

another way to ask your question is to post a few rules that you already looked up and couldn't figure them out. you'll get a lot more credit on here for at least attempting to do some leg work on your own first.

yes, it is faster sometimes to just ask on here...but many on here will teach you to fish as well. I've always learned more when I read about the rule and the ridiculous amount of manuals I've purchase over the last few years.

lighten up on Bob...it's good to make friends on here

maybe im missing something.

my post was a simple yes or no question that should be a very easy question for any baseball ump to answer with a simple yes or no.

as you can see by my first followup post, i have nothing to do with the question, i was simply trying to help someone else out, bc i knew of this forum, and i knew it was a simple yes or no question.

i dont play baseball, i dont umpire baseball, heck, i hardly even watch baseball, so, i dont care about pouring over the rulebook, or purchasing manuals.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Or you could go to MLB.com which has fully searchable pdf's for your reading pleasure.

thats where i originally tried to search. the problem was i searched for "missed", as in missed base, when the MLB rule talks about failure to touch. the only pertinent runner rule with "missed" doesnt address the appeal being the 3rd out and following runners runs not counting.

but thanks again.

i just wonder why this post

Does not touch first base

received nothing but legit helpful responses, but mine didnt?

i even know the answer to the question.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

i just wonder why this post

Does not touch first base

received nothing but legit helpful responses, but mine didnt?

i even know the answer to the question.

Sometimes it depends on who answers first.

I will point out that a follow-up question in that thread elicited the following response: "I and most on this forum could easily tell you but I listed the rule from the book in post #2. See if you can figure it out. Learn on your own and it will be much clearer for you. "

That's similar to the advice you received.

i dont play baseball, i dont umpire baseball, heck, i hardly even watch baseball, so, i dont care about pouring over the rulebook, or purchasing manuals.

Ah -- most to whom that description applies include that information in the OP. Had that been the case, I would have realized you were not interested in fishing, and just given you the information to take back.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

did it ever occur to you that someone might have tried to search for it but didnt see it and didnt feel like thoroughly reading through 13 pages of rules (sec 7 is 13 pages) when they could spend 5 seconds posting a question on a rules forum.

Steve --

1) My original response was offered in the spirit of the "give a man a fish...teach a man to fish" saying.

2) You'd be surprised what else you can learn by looking through the "13 pages" of rules.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Steve --

1) My original response was offered in the spirit of the "give a man a fish...teach a man to fish" saying.

2) You'd be surprised what else you can learn by looking through the "13 pages" of rules.

thats lovely.

if i asked "if the batter missed third base on a HR, would the other runners on base runs count" would that receive a cryptic sarcastic reply as well?

the reason i ask is bc i would assume the answer would be no, and that an actual response, maybe with a rule mixed in, would be given. thus one could only deduce that a certain "obscure" rulebook question threshold would have to be crossed to receive a straight answer. which would lead me to ask why my original question was deemed so mundane that it couldnt be answered legitimately.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

thats lovely.

if i asked "if the batter missed third base on a HR, would the other runners on base runs count" would that receive a cryptic sarcastic reply as well?

No. It would have recieved the reply of "Do any of the exceptions in the "how a run scores" rule apply?"

Neither cryptic, nor sarcastic to the usual types of people who post questions here.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

thats lovely.

if i asked "if the batter missed third base on a HR, would the other runners on base runs count" would that receive a cryptic sarcastic reply as well?

the reason i ask is bc i would assume the answer would be no, and that an actual response, maybe with a rule mixed in, would be given. thus one could only deduce that a certain "obscure" rulebook question threshold would have to be crossed to receive a straight answer. which would lead me to ask why my original question was deemed so mundane that it couldnt be answered legitimately.

Wow... don't feed the trolls, guys.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

if i asked "if the batter missed third base on a HR, would the other runners on base runs count" would that receive a cryptic sarcastic reply as well?

the reason i ask is bc i would assume the answer would be no, and that an actual response, maybe with a rule mixed in, would be given.

Your assumed answer is incorrect, so we would necessarily have to show you the rule (again):

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

If the batter-runner missed 1B and was appealed, that would qualify under exception #1 and no runs would score. But it was 3B that was missed, so this doesn't apply.

There were no force outs, so exception #2 doesn't apply.

The batter (who missed 3B) was the trailing runner, so exception #3 doesn't apply.

Therefore, score the other runners.