Timing play or not?

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Is this a timing play or is the check swing appeal considered the THIRD out? I guess my question is this. Is the outs considered to be made in the order they are called? For some reason a check-swing appeal seems like it is a different animal than a "normal" appeal say for a missed base.

- Runners at first and second, one out. 2-2 count
- Runners are going on a double steal
- Batter check-swings
- Catcher throws to second wildly
- Runner on second scores THEN runner from first is thrown out at third
- Defense appeals the check swing and BU rules a swing
- Does the run score?
- If it is a timing play then YES it does. If the appeal is the THIRD out then NO it doesn't

The appeal on the check swing is the 2nd out and R1 thrown out at 3rd is the 3rd out. Score the run.

Also, the PU should not wait for an appeal with an "anything & 2" count. He should immediately go for the appeal. The advanced mechanic would be the BU would cocme up with the appeal without a request from the PU.

[johnnyg08]

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

In Ozzy's post,

I believe it's called the "Voluntary Strike" mechanic. Which can be found in the MLBUM

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

The appeal on the check swing is the 2nd out and R1 thrown out at 3rd is the 3rd out. Score the run.

Also, the PU should not wait for an appeal with an "anything & 2" count. He should immediately go for the appeal. The advanced mechanic would be the BU would cocme up with the appeal without a request from the PU.

I thought this was the mechanic if the BR could possibly advance.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I thought this was the mechanic if the BR could possibly advance.

Unfortunately, not all associations work as per the MLBUM. Some still operate where the BU is silent until the PU makes the appeal.

[Illini_Ref]

I think that Tjones is saying that the MLBUM is not appropriate here since the BR cannot advance by rule since first base is occupied.

Also, with runners stealing and plays being made on them an immediate appeal really isn't possible. In the OC the appeal would come after playing action. The question remains, is it the second or third out? Common sense says that it would be the second, but this is rules, common sense may not apply.

I would be interested in knowing if there is a rule, case, or manual reference for this in any rule set.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

The appeal on the check swing is the 2nd out and R1 thrown out at 3rd is the 3rd out. Score the run.

Also, the PU should not wait for an appeal with an "anything & 2" count. He should immediately go for the appeal. The advanced mechanic would be the BU would come up with the appeal without a request from the PU.

If you have runners stealing, how is the BU going to have time to signal a strike or ball and be in position to make a call at either 2B or 3B?

I'm assuming the vast majority here work two man.