Out then safe then out...

[Rich Ives]

MLBUM 4.12

Umpire error.

Fix it.

If an umpire's error such as a missed count or number of outs clearly affects the play, every attempt should be made to correct the error, if possible.

Play: Runner on first base is stealing with a 3-1 count on the batter. The next pitch is called ball four, but the catcher throws the ball to second base anyway, and the runner is tagged before reaching the base. Umpire erroneously calls the runner out, and the runner, believing he is out,
steps off the bag and is again tagged by the fielder.

Ruling: The runner left second base under the assumption that the runner was out; however, the out was declared as a result of umpire error. In this situation the runner should be returned to second base. This is a correctable umpire error.

[BK47]

I agree, that is Umpire error which is correctable. Poor timing leads to this. I was once told this bit of advice "If you think your timing is to slow, Slow down some more."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BK47

I was once told this bit of advice "If you think your timing is to slow, Slow down some more."

Bad advice, IMO. Proper timing is neither too fast nor too slow.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Bad advice, IMO. Proper timing is neither too fast nor too slow.

I believe that BK47 is saying (and me adding to this from the perspective of a young basketball official) is that for someone without lots of experience, what one perceives as slow, is probably still fast. Eventually experience allows for one to understand proper timing, but the instinct when beginning officiating is wanting to make a call right away, when in reality, there is plenty of time to wait and decide what the correct call is.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I believe that BK47 is saying (and me adding to this from the perspective of a young basketball official) is that for someone without lots of experience, what one perceives as slow, is probably still fast. Eventually experience allows for one to understand proper timing, but the instinct when beginning officiating is wanting to make a call right away, when in reality, there is plenty of time to wait and decide what the correct call is.

You might be right about what he meant, and I certainly agree with what you've written about novice officials.

Unfortunately, that's not what his slogan says, which is one of many reasons not to instruct with slogans.

[MD Longhorn]

The ball is not dead when an umpire calls the 3rd out. Other things can still happen. However, the rules provide for the umpire to rectify a situation that occurred because of a mistaken call by the umpires.

[jkumpire]

BU who missed this call should be forced to buy lots of rootbeers for his partner after the game, plus after the next two contests.