Balk plus Ball

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

It's a poorly written sentence, not a freak rule. This has been pointed out before. Sometimes you have to understand the game.

Could you give me a link to where this has previously been pointed out before. I could believe that they really wanted to punish doctoring so a ball and a balk is believable. Did they say that they screwed up the rewrite of the rule?

[johnnyg08]

Post the rewritten rule.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I could believe that they really wanted to punish doctoring so a ball and a balk is believable.

Then you need to change your name from umpjim to coachjim.

[umpjim]

From MLB.com:

8.02 PENALTY (d) If the manager of the team at bat does not elect to accept the play, the umpire-in-chief shall call an automatic ball and, if there are any runners on base, a balk.

Find it hard to believe they would let this wording get through in a rewrite and not mean it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Find it hard to believe they would let this wording get through in a rewrite and not mean it.

Is there anyone on the site whom you'd believe? Evans points out that there are hundreds of errors in OBR.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by umpjim

From MLB.com:

Find it hard to believe they would let this wording get through in a rewrite and not mean it.

1. What makes you think this was subject to a rewrite?

2. This is why you should be coachjim and not umpjim. You haven't a clue.

[umpjim]

Somebody in this thread said it was a rewrite.

My old LLGB has the old wording which usually matches OBR and it is different. I don't have any older OBR books to compare.

So, I believe it is a rewrite and not one of the errors we all know about in the rules.

It might be a new error but you haven't given me any proof of that. I believe a lot of what is posted here. If you can give me a cite or the previous discussion of this particular error I would appreciate it. I am aware of the errors that exist in OBR.

[umpjim]

After further research of my 2008 BRD I find that at least Mr. Childress in that edition took the current wording at its face value and I quote from section 362 (page 241): "(CHANGES 2007) Penalty: ball and balk with runners". italics his.

So, apparently this was changed in 2007 and they might have meant it.

Edited to add this tidbit from the preseason:

"March 16th, 2010 | 6:28 PM Marlins bench coach Carlos Tosca thinks it’s a good rule. He just wished he would have known about it a little sooner.
Tuesday against the Braves in Lake Buena Vista, first base umpire Joe West cited Josh Johnson for two balks. A ball was added to the count on both occasions. Apparently, Major League Baseball implemented some rule changes and didn’t bother to inform the Marlins."

I believe Joe missapllied the penalty to the hand to mouth thing.

"Is there anyone on this site whom you would believe?"

Answer: Most anyone but there are two who I'd have to do some checking on before believing them.

[MrUmpire]

Keep digging coach, the hole is getting deeper.