Catcher covering third base

[GA Umpire]

I don't agree with the no call. F2 had plenty of time to even make an effort to get off of the runner.

EDIT:

It is OBS and he should have been scored. I watched it again and R1 did try to get up. After trying, he goes down holding his shoulder which may have only caused the pain b/c F2 was laying on him. I, too after reviewing again, would score him.

Gotta love the idiot announcers. INT? I guess they wanted R1 called out then instead of him being awarded HP. Also, give Castro credit. He put his hand on 3B and waited until he knew "Time" was called. Many would have been off the base and wondered why they were later called out if "Time" wasn't called.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I don't agree with the no call. F2 had plenty of time to even make an effort to get off of the runner.

EDIT:

It is OBS and he should have been scored. I watched it again and R1 did try to get up. After trying, he goes down holding his shoulder which may have only caused the pain b/c F2 was laying on him. I, too after reviewing again, would score him.

Gotta love the idiot announcers. INT? I guess they wanted R1 called out then instead of him being awarded HP. Also, give Castro credit. He put his hand on 3B and waited until he knew "Time" was called. Many would have been off the base and wondered why they were later called out if "Time" wasn't called.

I do not know why trained umpires call people idiots for saying obstruction instead of interference. Most people don't know the difference in terminology, but a casual viewer can easily understand what they mean.

I've had partners correct coaches when they say "interference" instead of "obstruction" and all it does is make the umpire look like an a$$hole. I will simply translate and respond as if the coach used the proper word the first time. Easy enough.

[jicecone]

Well it looked to me like BOTH players were injured on the play as a result of the collision. If that was the reason they both layed there OR if there was some other, we will never know.

I can only make a call based upon what I saw. Your calls may be just a valid as mine. JMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I do not know why trained umpires call people idiots for saying obstruction instead of interference. Most people don't know the difference in terminology, but a casual viewer can easily understand what they mean.

I've had partners correct coaches when they say "interference" instead of "obstruction" and all it does is make the umpire look like an a$$hole. I will simply translate and respond as if the coach used the proper word the first time. Easy enough.

I have to disagree with you just a little bit on this issue. For one the people that say this are mostly on officiating boards like this or amongst other officials. But details matter and if someone uses the wrong term, it usually goes along with other misunderstandings. I do not know how many people call for a rules violation, and then do not understand the application. For example at least at the FED level, when there is an obstruction people think they get more than one base. I understand what you are saying, but details always matter and we know announcers start using terminology in all kinds of areas and they are completely wrong about the application.

I can think of the play that was posted here where there was a fly ball to center fielder that attempted to catch a ball then the ball hit the glove and went through his grasp and hit the ground. The announcer immediately started ripping the umpire and claiming that it was a catch because it hit the glove and the CF was just trying to make a throw. Well there is this little detail of rulebook language that talks about voluntary release and what constitutes a catch more than just hitting the glove. Details matter and add to the credibility of your argument. This is why I am actually impressed with announcers that use rulebook language in their explanation much more than those that use the terms that are either confusing or totally incorrect.

Peace

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I do not know why trained umpires call people idiots for saying obstruction instead of interference. Most people don't know the difference in terminology, but a casual viewer can easily understand what they mean.

We aren't talking about "most" people or a "casual viewer". We are talking about announcers. I didn't say "idiot viewers" or "idiot fans". If taken in the correct context, then the bias feelings toward announcers would be understood. Especially given how they waste no time to comment on something which they have no idea about. Then, if they find out to be wrong later, it is a casual "Oh, I was wrong" attitude. But, if they are right, it is a "I'll show them" attitude and continue to harp on it until a week later.

They act like they "know" the game and have no issues with being wrong on TV for all to see. Then, the "casual viewer" uses it incorrectly as well. I don't expect nor treat a "casual viewer" the same as I treat and should expect a commentator to know what they are talking about. If they don't, then they are an idiot. Too lazy and incompetent to learn about what they are talking about.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

They act like they "know" the game and have no issues with being wrong on TV for all to see. Then, the "casual viewer" uses it incorrectly as well. I don't expect nor treat a "casual viewer" the same as I treat and should expect a commentator to know what they are talking about. If they don't, then they are an idiot. Too lazy and incompetent to learn about what they are talking about.

You seem to think that the only way to love the game is the umpire's way.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You seem to think that the only way to love the game is the umpire's way.

I didn't get that from what he said at all. I can live with a fan or friend of mine saying it wrong. But announcers have SOME responsibility to know what they are talking about because they are in a "if he said it it must be true" capacity. And if you think baseball announcers are bad - go watch just a single softball game with a softball umpire. Ugh!

[etn_ump]

I've got NOTHING.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You seem to think that the only way to love the game is the umpire's way.

No. Completely wrong. It has nothing to do with that.

[johnnyg08]

after watching the video...I agree that they got the call right. We can't hear the runner possibly screaming or the pain level that's going on there. he was probably able to tell that he wasn't going anywhere...therefore was not going to call OBS...

[UmpJM]

johnny,

That is a complete misread of the video.

The runner clearly tried to get up.

The fielder cleaqrly tried to impede him from doing so.

When the runner reacted with pain and stopped trying to get up, the catcher quickly and easily got off of the runner.

Absolutely a flagrant obstruction violation. And the catcher was clearly not injured to the point that he was unable to get off of the runner - not that it would make any difference in regard to his liability for obstruction.

JM