NFHS RLV You Make the Call

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

OBR 6.05k uses the expression "fielded to first base," which is probably the basis for the idea that an "intervening play" negates running-lane interference.

The "intervening play" does not negate running lane interference. It only means that runners return TOI instead of TOP.

In FED, runners always return TOI, with the exception of FPSR.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The "intervening play" does not negate running lane interference. It only means that runners return TOI instead of TOP.

Right. I knew that. Duh me.

[UmpTTS43]

So does FED use the intervening play philosophy, or all all runners returned if R3 is safe?

[UmpJM]

UmpTT,

I guess you could say FED uses the "intervening play" philosophy because in all three sitches in Tim's OP, the play at the plate "stands" and any remaining runners are returned to their TOI (rather than TOP) bases.

But FED doesn't really need the "intervening play" concept because the "default" rule in FED is that on interference, runners return to their TOI base, not their TOP base.

For example....

R1, no outs. R1 is stealing on the pitch and the batter hits a "swinging bunt" out in front of home plate. As the catcher fields the ball and begins to throw, the R1 has already reached 2B. The BR, running in fair territory the whole way, is hit by the catcher's throw and the ball dribbles into the 1B dugout on the ricochet.

In OBR, the BR is out for the RL interference and the R1 returns to 1B.

In FED, the BR is out for RL interference and the R1 gets to stay at 2B.

No, really.

And, if you think THAT'S strange, brand new for 2010, there's a FED interp that says you award a runner a base BEYOND that he legally occupied at TOI when his runner teammate interferes.

JM

[UmpTTS43]

Thanks JM

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT,

I guess you could say FED uses the "intervening play" philosophy because in all three sitches in Tim's OP, the play at the plate "stands" and any remaining runners are returned to their TOI (rather than TOP) bases.

But FED doesn't really need the "intervening play" concept because the "default" rule in FED is that on interference, runners return to their TOI base, not their TOP base.

For example....

R1, no outs. R1 is stealing on the pitch and the batter hits a "swinging bunt" out in front of home plate. As the catcher fields the ball and begins to throw, the R1 has already reached 2B. The BR, running in fair territory the whole way, is hit by the catcher's throw and the ball dribbles into the 1B dugout on the ricochet.

In OBR, the BR is out for the RL interference and the R1 returns to 1B.

In FED, the BR is out for RL interference and the R1 gets to stay at 2B.

No, really.

And, if you think THAT'S strange, brand new for 2010, there's a FED interp that says you award a runner a base BEYOND that he legally occupied at TOI when his runner teammate interferes.

JM

JM,

Can you give me the reference for this interp you speak about in the last sentence?

Thanks!

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

JM,

Can you give me the reference for this interp you speak about in the last sentence?

Thanks!

jk,

I was referring to the FED 2010 Interps, Situation 13.

JM

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

jk,

I was referring to the FED 2010 Interps, Situation 13.

JM

I appreciate your post.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=UmpJM (nee CoachJM);670022]UmpTT,

I guess you could say FED uses the "intervening play" philosophy because in all three sitches in Tim's OP, the play at the plate "stands" and any remaining runners are returned to their TOI (rather than TOP) bases.

But FED doesn't really need the "intervening play" concept because the "default" rule in FED is that on interference, runners return to their TOI base, not their TOP base.

Not all Interference in FED is from TOI. The EXCEPTION as Bob pointed out is the FPSR.

Example:

R1/R2 - hit an run. Ground ball to F6 who throws to F4 to start the 6-4-3 DP. When F4 receives the throw from F6, R2 is already on third at this point(it was a Hit/Run sitch), R1 slides illegally into second base.

The call is

1. TIME
2. that's interference
3. R1 and B1 are out
4. R2 (now R3) is returned to second base.

Therefore, even though R2 had reached 3rd base at TOI because it was a FPSR violation he returns to his TOP base.

Pete Booth

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

The call is

1. TIME
2. that's interference
...

Swap the order.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Swap the order.

Why? A FPSR violation is an immediate dead ball, hence "Time, that's interference."