Time for ya'll to teach me something Part 2:

[Tim C]

Situation:

NFHS Rules

R1 and R2
Strikes or outs don't matter

On the pitch R2 selects to steal 3rd base.

Batter clearly interfers with F2 attempt -- if fact he interferes so badly that F2 stops and notices R1 is trotting towards 2nd.

F2 fires down to F4 covering and they tag R1 out.

What is the rule and mechanic?

Thanks,

T

[UmpJM]

Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

[jkumpire]

Coach JM has the call and mechanic correct for FED, at least he did it the way I did it when I had this call.

Why are you asking this stuff? What is the point here? You already know the answers to both these points!

I like mysteries, but FED rul-making is too mysterious for me....

[Tim C]

"Why are you asking this stuff? What is the point here? You already know the answers to both these points!"

OK, John you caught me. I admit it.

I was trying to keep us talking baseball rather than uniform colors or umpire advancement.

I am trying, in my own gentle way, to organize my fellow riffraff of internet umpires to help the NFHS to CONTINUE to change their rule set so it more closely imitates OBR.

I been founded out . . . drats!

T

[johnnyg08]

Thanks for the posts on baseball-type stuff. While the other stuff is okay reading for a bit, this is the good stuff. Nice review.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

Yep -- same as in all codes.

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, John you caught me. I admit it.

I was trying to keep us talking baseball rather than uniform colors or umpire advancement.

I am trying, in my own gentle way, to organize my fellow riffraff of internet umpires to help the NFHS to CONTINUE to change their rule set so it more closely imitates OBR.

I been founded out . . . drats!

T

T,

Hey, I want a bigger side panel in the new jerseys, but I thought that was too radical to bring up.

[scarolinablue]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

First, I agree with JM and others on the ruling.

But, I cannot stand it when I see "Ya'll". Properly done in the Southern vernacular, it's "Y'all". Please make a note of this for future use...

[UmpJM]

scarolinablue,

In this context, wouldn't it be "All y'all"?

JM

[scarolinablue]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

scarolinablue,

In this context, wouldn't it be "All y'all"?

JM

I believe either would be appropriate in this context. I've always found "all y'all" to be a bit much on the palate, as it is a bit redundantly repetitive.

Of course, what do I know? I'm originally from Ohio!

[Tim C]

"But, I cannot stand it when I see "Ya'll".

Please refer to the sign above the entry to Texas Motor Speeway.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep -- same as in all codes.

True for FED and NCAA, not so for OBR.

OBR says that if the initial throw retires a runner the INT is disregarded. In Tim's situation, F2's initial throw retired R1. An aborted attempt does not constitute a throw.

[UmpJM]

UmpTT,

Despite the difference in wording in the OBR rule, I believe the interpretation is the same.

JM

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT,

Despite the difference in wording in the OBR rule, I believe the interpretation is the same.

JM

If the initial throw retires a runner, the INT is disregarded. If F2 aborts a throw, to any base, INT is not to be called. One of the rare occations where INT can be called in OBR without a throw is when the batter and F2 make contact and F2 falls to the ground unable to make a throw.

Straight from JEAPU.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

I believe either would be appropriate in this context. I've always found "all y'all" to be a bit much on the palate, as it is a bit redundantly repetitive.

Of course, what do I know? I'm originally from Ohio!

I'm originally from Ohio, too, but I believe that JM is right: 'Y'all' is singular, and 'All y'all' is plural.