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Tim C Thu Mar 18, 2010 02:36pm

Time for ya'll to teach me something Part 2:
 
Situation:

NFHS Rules

R1 and R2
Strikes or outs don't matter

On the pitch R2 selects to steal 3rd base.

Batter clearly interfers with F2 attempt -- if fact he interferes so badly that F2 stops and notices R1 is trotting towards 2nd.

F2 fires down to F4 covering and they tag R1 out.

What is the rule and mechanic?

Thanks,

T

UmpJM Thu Mar 18, 2010 02:48pm

Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

jkumpire Thu Mar 18, 2010 05:44pm

T? what is happening here?
 
Coach JM has the call and mechanic correct for FED, at least he did it the way I did it when I had this call.

Why are you asking this stuff? What is the point here? You already know the answers to both these points!

I like mysteries, but FED rul-making is too mysterious for me....

Tim C Thu Mar 18, 2010 07:43pm

John:
 
Quote:

"Why are you asking this stuff? What is the point here? You already know the answers to both these points!"
OK, John you caught me. I admit it.

I was trying to keep us talking baseball rather than uniform colors or umpire advancement.

I am trying, in my own gentle way, to organize my fellow riffraff of internet umpires to help the NFHS to CONTINUE to change their rule set so it more closely imitates OBR.

I been founded out . . . drats!

T

johnnyg08 Thu Mar 18, 2010 08:18pm

Thanks for the posts on baseball-type stuff. While the other stuff is okay reading for a bit, this is the good stuff. Nice review.

bob jenkins Thu Mar 18, 2010 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 669012)
Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

Yep -- same as in all codes.

jkumpire Fri Mar 19, 2010 07:00am

It almost got by me T
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 669081)
OK, John you caught me. I admit it.

I was trying to keep us talking baseball rather than uniform colors or umpire advancement.

I am trying, in my own gentle way, to organize my fellow riffraff of internet umpires to help the NFHS to CONTINUE to change their rule set so it more closely imitates OBR.

I been founded out . . . drats!

T

T,

Hey, I want a bigger side panel in the new jerseys, but I thought that was too radical to bring up. :p

scarolinablue Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:07am

I have to do this...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 669012)
Tim,

As presented, I'd go with...

"That's Interference! Time! The batter is out. You, back to 1B, you, back to 2B."

When F2's initial attempt (the aborted throw to 3B) failed to retire the runner, the ball is dead, batter is out, runners return.

JM

First, I agree with JM and others on the ruling.

But, I cannot stand it when I see "Ya'll". Properly done in the Southern vernacular, it's "Y'all". Please make a note of this for future use...:D

UmpJM Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:11am

scarolinablue,

In this context, wouldn't it be "All y'all"?

JM

scarolinablue Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 669191)
scarolinablue,

In this context, wouldn't it be "All y'all"?

JM

I believe either would be appropriate in this context. I've always found "all y'all" to be a bit much on the palate, as it is a bit redundantly repetitive. :p

Of course, what do I know? I'm originally from Ohio!

Tim C Fri Mar 19, 2010 01:49pm

Ahem!
 
Quote:

"But, I cannot stand it when I see "Ya'll".
Please refer to the sign above the entry to Texas Motor Speeway.

UmpTTS43 Fri Mar 19, 2010 02:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 669094)
Yep -- same as in all codes.

True for FED and NCAA, not so for OBR.

OBR says that if the initial throw retires a runner the INT is disregarded. In Tim's situation, F2's initial throw retired R1. An aborted attempt does not constitute a throw.

UmpJM Fri Mar 19, 2010 02:18pm

UmpTT,

Despite the difference in wording in the OBR rule, I believe the interpretation is the same.

JM

UmpTTS43 Fri Mar 19, 2010 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 669279)
UmpTT,

Despite the difference in wording in the OBR rule, I believe the interpretation is the same.

JM

If the initial throw retires a runner, the INT is disregarded. If F2 aborts a throw, to any base, INT is not to be called. One of the rare occations where INT can be called in OBR without a throw is when the batter and F2 make contact and F2 falls to the ground unable to make a throw.

Straight from JEAPU.

mbyron Fri Mar 19, 2010 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 669193)
I believe either would be appropriate in this context. I've always found "all y'all" to be a bit much on the palate, as it is a bit redundantly repetitive. :p

Of course, what do I know? I'm originally from Ohio!

I'm originally from Ohio, too, but I believe that JM is right: 'Y'all' is singular, and 'All y'all' is plural. ;)


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