To uphold or deny?

[jicecone]

Once a runner aquires the right to a base, he has fulfilled his obligation for touching the base whether advancing or returning and therefore can not miss thed base he already touched.

In Fed? "Please read Situation #9 coach and direct all questions to NFHS, maybe they can explain it better."

The way I am understaning this now, (and I may be wrong), in the OP had the returning runner missed 3b when returning and then again when heading for home, you would still deny the appeal. If this is different please supply a reference.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jicecone

The way I am understanding this now, (and I may be wrong), in the OP had the returning runner missed 3b when returning and then again when heading for home, you would still deny the appeal. If this is different please supply a reference.

For FED, R1 (on third) is out on appeal. The reference is Situation 9: "Ruling: R1 is out on the valid defensive appeal."

For all other codes: deny the appeal.

[lawump]

For what it is worth, the runner was called out. As was pointed out above, the runner was called out at the end of the play (and not on appeal) because we have no appeal plays in SC.

Also, for what it is worth, I have read through this thread several times and I now have doubts...but prior to this thread I definitely would have called R3 out on appeal had this occurred in a game when I was in MiLB.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts.

[johnnyg08]

I was reading through some FED interps on NFHS.com last night and saw this exact play posted in there on their official 2010 interps document that has 20 sample case plays. NFHS interp states that the runner must retouch 3B or be called out on appeal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I was reading through some FED interps on NFHS.com last night and saw this exact play posted in there on their official 2010 interps document that has 20 sample case plays. NFHS interp states that the runner must retouch 3B or be called out on appeal.

RIght -- as first noted in post #7 and as quoted in post #9.

We're discussing whether it's the "right" ruling in FED and whether it is (or should be) the same in other codes.

[BretMan]

That topic comes up fairly often on discussion boards, that SC allows no appeals. I know that quite a few years ago this was the rule for all FED games, it was since changed and SC retained the old rule. But it always makes me wonder about something else.

When you say NO appeals, how do they handle appeals for batting out of order, which the rule book clearly labels an appeal by the defense? Or, is it that SC just doesn't allow BASERUNNING appeals?

[scarolinablue]

Bretman,

Great question and pickup. Since I'm not looking at my lineup card for each batter, those issues of batting out of order must be brought to our attention by the defense (or offense, for that matter, depending on the time). So, to better answer you, yes, only on baserunning infractions.

In our state clinic last Thursday, the director of the HS League defended the continued use of this policy in SC essentially as this (and this was said in front of coaches present at the clinic) - to paraphrase, "why should kids who aren't taught the proper way to appeal, or even to appeal in the first place be penalized because they have bad coaching?" He went on to suggest some schools have coaches in place because they are the nearest warm body to put there, so the kids don't learn proper baseball rules such as appeals, so why should they be required to bring it to the attention of the umpire, when the umpire should just see it in the first place!

Yes, this is pretty much what he said, so I don't see it changing in this state anytime soon. And for the record, every school we cover in our association has pretty good coaching at all levels (1A to 4A). Nobody that I'd consider a warm body by any stretch of that definition.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

RIght -- as first noted in post #7 and as quoted in post #9.

We're discussing whether it's the "right" ruling in FED and whether it is (or should be) the same in other codes.

Isn't it "right" until they change it?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Isn't it "right" until they change it?

It's official, and I'll enforce it that way.

[cviverito]

Originally Posted by lawump

because we have no appeal plays in SC.

Waaaaahuh? You mean...none? At all? For anything?

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by cviverito

Waaaaahuh? You mean...none? At all? For anything?

In SC under FED rules, if the umpire sees a missed base, he calls it without any defensive player/coach having to tell him. This is an old FED rule which only SC still does. In others, the defense has to at least tell the umpire before he makes a ruling. And, as you know in OBR, the defense has to tag/touch the runner/base for a ruling.