Mark McGwire admits to long-term steroid use!

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if the sports writers choose to vote McGwire in the HOF, they can. If they sports writers want to vote Rose into the Hall of Fame, Rose is not on the ballet. But you seem to have a good grasp of illegality and punishment.

I love this one best. A manager gambling on games and a player taking steroids. Very similar. Hard to believe the punishment doesn't match.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I love this one best. A manager gambling on games and a player taking steroids. Very similar. Hard to believe the punishment doesn't match.

You can say whatever you like, what they do does not make one bit of difference in my life. Apparently it does for you. Oh well.

I did not even know you existed until we had this conversation just now.

Peace

[Kevin Finnerty]

Intractable and an absolute, bald-faced liar. Nice combination.

[SAump]

Lyle Martin Alzado (April 3, 1949 – May 14, 1992) Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but each of his physicians stated it could not be true, and that while steroids do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated.

Reading this thread reminded me of why the honest Cleveland Indians never stand a chance of winning a World Series. MLB turned its nose away from enforcement policies. Ken Camineti was breaking the rules between the BAN in 1991, and the enforcement which didn't kick in until 2006. Those existing steroid ban policies were not worth the paper it was written on prior to 2006. in 2002, Camineti made "the first public admission of steroid use by any professional baseball player."

BTW, Barry Bonds is a super baseball star. Both his baseball career and his commitment to excellence speaks for itself, but his trainer is really my superhero. Gotta love his chutzpah. How much did the government spend on that aimless indictment?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Intractable and an absolute, bald-faced liar. Nice combination.

Sorry Kevin, I do not follow this board like you do. Outside of this conversation I do not remember ever talking to you. I do not even really like talking baseball that much until the basketball season is completely over (March Madness included). I honestly do not know who you are and you are not someone that I turn to for positions on anything here. Sorry, but you are not. I would not even know your pattern because I would not be following it.

Peace

[MrUmpire]

And the seasons they go 'round and 'round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sorry Kevin, I do not follow this board like you do. Outside of this conversation I do not remember ever talking to you. I do not even really like talking baseball that much until the basketball season is completely over (March Madness included). I honestly do not know who you are and you are not someone that I turn to for positions on anything here. Sorry, but you are not. I would not even know your pattern because I would not be following it.

Peace

Okay, then you're either high, or a bald-faced liar.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Okay, then you're either high, or a bald-faced liar.

Yes, I have to be lying because I honestly do not remember having a major conversation with you on this board. And if you are only a baseball umpire that comes to this board, then that is totally understandable from my point of view. I certainly do not go to other boards and talk baseball on a regular basis and I hardly come here. Look at the last time I posted on this site before this conversation. Maybe your ego cannot handle that you are not important (neither is this conversation) to me to the level you thought.

Just like this conversation, you take these things too seriously.

Peace

[Kevin Finnerty]

You shamelessly defended Barry Bonds's steroid use, parroting the popular but mistaken notion that it was not against MLB rules to do so at the time that he was raping the record book. I refuted it by citing the same Commissioner's memo that I cited in this debate.

Then you discredited Babe Ruth's accomplishments, parroting the popular but mistaken notion that if he had played against the best Negro League pitchers of the '20s and early-'30s, that his totals would have been dramatically downscaled. Of course, I argued that of all the Negro League pitchers that were pitching at that time, the lion's share would have been minor league caliber, that only a handful would have been major league caliber, and that of those, perhaps a few would have been All-Star caliber. And if those few high-caliber pitchers were distributed among all the 16 teams in both leagues, that Ruth would have had a very small percentage of his at bats against those pitchers.

Of course, that was one of the debates that you dropped out of quickly, after being refuted so soundly. I guess you only remember the Circle Game debates.

[bob jenkins]

We get it.

You two either have or have not or don't remember "talking" to each other.

You do or you do not care about what the other says.

You do or do not agree on the issue.

Now stop it, both of you, please.