Force play or time play?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm not sure just what you're asking.

The runner must be beyond the base to have missed it.

I think Rita was saying the force would be reinstated if R1 had retreated past 2nd base.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I think Rita was saying the force would be reinstated if R1 had retreated past 2nd base.

No, I'm saying that if he's past second, there has to be an appeal of the missed base to cancel the run.

Rita

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Rita C

No, I'm saying that if he's past second, there has to be an appeal of the missed base to cancel the run.

Rita

In that case, I echo mbyron's first post.

[umpjim]

How about the appeal being obvious since R1 had attained or almost attained 3B when he ran back. A tag at this point might be equivalent to the unannounced but obvious appeal of a runner leaving early on a caught fly and being thrown out at the base he was returning to.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Rita C

No, I'm saying that if he's past second, there has to be an appeal of the missed base to cancel the run.

Rita

The 3rd out in this situation is certainly a tag play, not an appeal, and hence, a time play. What is at issue is J/R's muddy ruling that we can't have a 4th out appeal on the play. I don't see why we couldn't, their interp only makes a bit of sense if we are talking about overslide, avoiding tag action in and around a base.