Bucknor, Cuzzi pay the price

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Now there was just another one. I saw him safe lying on my back in bed through squinty eyes on a 20" TV. What is going on here????

Why was he lying on your back?

[JJ]

Anyone else notice tonight's PU "commenting" on just about every pitch? Doesn't say "ball", says "no, that's down" kind of stuff. Glad to know I'm not the only one who does that, though I don't think I do it NEARLY as frequently.
It would be interesting to watch a game with that PU microphone up loud enough to hear throughout...
JJ

[JJ]

...and just as I post that last comment, they replay the check swing strike three with the exchange between Culbreath and Posada....

JJ

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by JJ

Anyone else notice tonight's PU "commenting" on just about every pitch? Doesn't say "ball", says "no, that's down" kind of stuff. Glad to know I'm not the only one who does that, though I don't think I do it NEARLY as frequently.
It would be interesting to watch a game with that PU microphone up loud enough to hear throughout...
JJ

He's not even the only one on his crew. Bill Miller was doing the same thing when he had the plate.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why was he lying on your back?

Thanks ociffer. When do you get your gold shield?

Originally Posted by SethPDX

He's not even the only one on his crew. Bill Miller was doing the same thing when he had the plate.

Yes, Bill Miller was quite the Chatty Cathy back there. He makes me look like Silent Bob.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by JJ

Anyone else notice tonight's PU "commenting" on just about every pitch? Doesn't say "ball", says "no, that's down" kind of stuff. Glad to know I'm not the only one who does that, though I don't think I do it NEARLY as frequently.
It would be interesting to watch a game with that PU microphone up loud enough to hear throughout...
JJ

Yesterday: a dozen or so close pitches, I said "Ball, low" once when a pitch grazed the corner. I said "No, ball" when a batter barely started his hands at a high one and I didn't want to even hear a request for an appeal (even though there was a U3 to call it). And I said "Ball, in" once when there might have been a question as to whether it was low or inside.

The catcher should be able to know the adjustment that has to be made if it's a question of whether it's missing the bottom or the edge of the zone. But I don't like to, nor I am not inclined to detail every close one.

Now there's an NCAA Pac 10 umpire who calls out location on every ball he calls. ... "Ball, in!" ... "Ball, up!" And he does it loudly, just like you would on a close and critical ball call. On one call in the first inning, he didn't even call "Ball," he said, "Bring it up!"

So, now that he's the center of attention, his misses are far more glaring.

[gordon30307]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MLB it seems to be the only major sport where the officials have virtually lifetime employment. It's about time someone paid the price for making such lousy calls in the post season. If every year or two someone was let go or demoted because of poor performance during the season it would force them to work harder to keep their job. You know like the rest of us in the real world.

[zm1283]

The Cardinals actually collapsed at the end of Game 6 as well as in Game 7.

[Kevin Finnerty]

You take an out away and place a runner on first instead, and you put your power pitcher in the stretch, and the one-run game is drastically different. You know that. That blown call is routinely defended the way it's being defended here, but it definitely was a major factor in that game going to Kansas City rather than St.Louis.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The call only cost them Game 6. Game 7 was lost due to piss poor performance. (I can't help but think of how Douglas C. Niedermeyer would say piss poor performance.)

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

His call in game 6 caused the Cards total collapse in game 7?

WOW!

Originally Posted by zm1283

The Cardinals actually collapsed at the end of Game 6 as well as in Game 7.

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You take an out away and place a runner on first instead, and you put your power pitcher in the stretch, and the one-run game is drastically different. You know that. That blown call is routinely defended the way it's being defended here, but it definitely was a major factor in that game going to Kansas City rather than St.Louis.

Of course it was a factor, no one is denying that at all. It didn't "cost them the game". Wasn't there a uncaught infield pop up as well as a passed ball after the bad call?

[mrm21711]

The fact that CB Bucknor was even considered, nonetheless selected, to work a World Series is one of the biggest jokes I can imagine.

[Emperor Ump]

I wouldn't rely on the media for who was supposed to be in the original WS crew. I believe they are making assumptions based that often guys who work the Divisionals often get to do the WS and the fact that they normally bring on a few guys to work their first WS from that group. I think it's unfair to say Bucknor or Cuzzi will or will not be included because of their performance since the original crew was not made public.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yeah, maybe they need instant replay in the damn booth for those bozos, who make many more mistakes than the worst umpires in the universe. Maybe these jokers should have to sit out the playoffs because of their poor performances. Then they would see what it's like.

Amen Steve!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Yesterday: a dozen or so close pitches, I said "Ball, low" once when a pitch grazed the corner. I said "No, ball" when a batter barely started his hands at a high one and I didn't want to even hear a request for an appeal (even though there was a U3 to call it). And I said "Ball, in" once when there might have been a question as to whether it was low or inside.

The catcher should be able to know the adjustment that has to be made if it's a question of whether it's missing the bottom or the edge of the zone. But I don't like to, nor I am not inclined to detail every close one.

Now there's an NCAA Pac 10 umpire who calls out location on every ball he calls. ... "Ball, in!" ... "Ball, up!" And he does it loudly, just like you would on a close and critical ball call. On one call in the first inning, he didn't even call "Ball," he said, "Bring it up!"

So, now that he's the center of attention, his misses are far more glaring.

Exactly what are we accomplishing here.

Why not announce the batter by name, say "swing and a miss, strike two," "down the center of the zone for stike one,". ??

Sometimes I would get, "Hey blue, I need to know the location so I can tell my pitcher how to adjust." My answer was, "tell him to adjust the ball into the strike zone."

I would let my consistency dictate my strike zone and let the announcers, announce. Just my opinion.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Exactly what are we accomplishing here.

Why not announce the batter by name, say "swing and a miss, strike two," "down the center of the zone for stike one,". ??

Sometimes I would get, "Hey blue, I need to know the location so I can tell my pitcher how to adjust." My answer was, "tell him to adjust the ball into the strike zone."

I would let my consistency dictate my strike zone and let the announcers, announce. Just my opinion.

It's fall league baseball. Even considering that, my point was that if it is done, it's done very seldom (by me), but a couple of guys can overdo it.

[Toadman15241]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Exactly what are we accomplishing here.

Sometimes I would get, "Hey blue, I need to know the location so I can tell my pitcher how to adjust." My answer was, "tell him to adjust the ball into the strike zone."

Like Jim, If a coach asked me where the pitch was my answer was always "outside the strike zone." However, I would answer the question for a catcher who asked me every now and then. If he asked me too often then I'd quit answering him all together. But, if he was only asking a couple times a game I'd answer him truthfully.

I was always a fan of next to your partners the catchers are your best friends.