Weird Call and Ejection

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

It seemed like he called swinging strike three. Then asked for help on the check swing or maybe a foul tip/out. Yeah, he appeared to ask, then clapped his hands together and hammered Mourneau out. Gardy comes out, he goes to ask for help, then, gets is correct w/ the foul ball call. Wedge was expected to come out...but they got the play right.

I don't think he originally asked for help.
I've seen the clap (or sometimes bump your fists together) on a foul tip...so what I think he was signaling on the point was that the ball was caught before it hit the ground, then the clap was that it was tipped, followed by the out.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

I don't think he originally asked for help.
I've seen the clap (or sometimes bump your fists together) on a foul tip...so what I think he was signaling on the point was that the ball was caught before it hit the ground, then the clap was that it was tipped, followed by the out.

I've never seen or heard of it before...I kind of like it though...the foul tip mechanic reminds me of the basketball mechanic of a blocked shot...which I don't like. Thanks for the post...I learned something new today

[zm1283]

That ball was not fouled off. It's pretty clear in the video that it never hit the bat. Should have been strike three.

[johnnyg08]

then you're not looking at the video close enough...it's a foul ball...it does deflect off of the bat into the ground. we have the advantage of a replay

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

then you're not looking at the video close enough...it's a foul ball...it does deflect off of the bat into the ground. we have the advantage of a replay

Sorry, I've watched it several times and I still didn't see it hit the bat at all. The pitch was in the dirt to begin with. The bat didn't cause it to go into the dirt.

[johnnyg08]

okay, we'll agree to disagree...it hit the bat though

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

okay, we'll agree to disagree...it hit the bat though

Do you mean to suggest that different people can view the same incident and "see" different things!? Goodness, be careful.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by zm1283

That ball was not fouled off. It's pretty clear in the video that it never hit the bat. Should have been strike three.

So what your trying to say is that he checked his swing and the HPU got it wrong and corrected it after looking at the ball and conferring with the crew.

Now I didn't see it hit the bat either but, it didn't look like he got comfirmation about a checked swing.

Or maybe, the ball was complaining that it was not hit by the bat and the catcher let it get dirty by hitting the ground. The HPU was upset with the ball for causing such a stink and the crew decided to let the batter come back and try and smash the little bas###d to South America.

OOOORRR, the foul tip was not caught. HPU missed the trap of the ball and after conferring with the crew, corrected the call and brought the batter back to the plate.

Your Choice!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jicecone

So what your trying to say is that he checked his swing and the HPU got it wrong and corrected it after looking at the ball and conferring with the crew.

Now I didn't see it hit the bat either but, it didn't look like he got comfirmation about a checked swing.

Or maybe, the ball was complaining that it was not hit by the bat and the catcher let it get dirty by hitting the ground. The HPU was upset with the ball for causing such a stink and the crew decided to let the batter come back and try and smash the little bas###d to South America.

OOOORRR, the foul tip was not caught. HPU missed the trap of the ball and after conferring with the crew, corrected the call and brought the batter back to the plate.

Your Choice!

I think the PU knew all along that he swung. I don't think that that was ever an issue. I think the PU originally thought that it was a foul tip, thus going straight into the glove. After Gardenhire argued and said that it hit the dirt first, the PU got help. The BUs told him that it hit the ground first, thus changing it to a foul ball. I don't think it ever hit his bat though, and should have been strike three instead.

[jicecone]

Well, in that case you just convinced me about how much easier it is to umpire from your couch.

Next year I am just going to call the coach and tell them to send me my check because I don't need to be present for tyhe game.

Now I know I am good, but, never in my wildest dreams, did I ever believe that I could be that good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Well, in that case you just convinced me about how much easier it is to umpire from your couch.

Never said that. Just said that they got this call wrong. It happens.

Next year I am just going to call the coach and tell them to send me my check because I don't need to be present for tyhe game.

Good luck with that.

Now I know I am good, but, never in my wildest dreams, did I ever believe that I could be that good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt you are.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The BUs told him that it hit the ground first, thus changing it to a foul ball.

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. therefore, the conference must have been about whatever bob saw on the ball when he inspected it.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. .

This is should be the proper mechanic at the amateur level as well. It is in my games.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. therefore, the conference must have been about whatever bob saw on the ball when he inspected it.

Okay, fair enough. It just reinforces my point to others that it wasn't a foul ball then, because it never touched the bat.

They still got it wrong no matter which way you cut it.

By the way, he called it a foul tip originally, but the call was reversed to foul ball after he talked to the BUs. What else would they be discussing other than whether it hit the ground or not before going into F2's glove?