Weird Call and Ejection

[zm1283]

That ball was not fouled off. It's pretty clear in the video that it never hit the bat. Should have been strike three.

[johnnyg08]

then you're not looking at the video close enough...it's a foul ball...it does deflect off of the bat into the ground. we have the advantage of a replay

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

then you're not looking at the video close enough...it's a foul ball...it does deflect off of the bat into the ground. we have the advantage of a replay

Sorry, I've watched it several times and I still didn't see it hit the bat at all. The pitch was in the dirt to begin with. The bat didn't cause it to go into the dirt.

[johnnyg08]

okay, we'll agree to disagree...it hit the bat though

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

okay, we'll agree to disagree...it hit the bat though

Do you mean to suggest that different people can view the same incident and "see" different things!? Goodness, be careful.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by zm1283

That ball was not fouled off. It's pretty clear in the video that it never hit the bat. Should have been strike three.

So what your trying to say is that he checked his swing and the HPU got it wrong and corrected it after looking at the ball and conferring with the crew.

Now I didn't see it hit the bat either but, it didn't look like he got comfirmation about a checked swing.

Or maybe, the ball was complaining that it was not hit by the bat and the catcher let it get dirty by hitting the ground. The HPU was upset with the ball for causing such a stink and the crew decided to let the batter come back and try and smash the little bas###d to South America.

OOOORRR, the foul tip was not caught. HPU missed the trap of the ball and after conferring with the crew, corrected the call and brought the batter back to the plate.

Your Choice!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jicecone

So what your trying to say is that he checked his swing and the HPU got it wrong and corrected it after looking at the ball and conferring with the crew.

Now I didn't see it hit the bat either but, it didn't look like he got comfirmation about a checked swing.

Or maybe, the ball was complaining that it was not hit by the bat and the catcher let it get dirty by hitting the ground. The HPU was upset with the ball for causing such a stink and the crew decided to let the batter come back and try and smash the little bas###d to South America.

OOOORRR, the foul tip was not caught. HPU missed the trap of the ball and after conferring with the crew, corrected the call and brought the batter back to the plate.

Your Choice!

I think the PU knew all along that he swung. I don't think that that was ever an issue. I think the PU originally thought that it was a foul tip, thus going straight into the glove. After Gardenhire argued and said that it hit the dirt first, the PU got help. The BUs told him that it hit the ground first, thus changing it to a foul ball. I don't think it ever hit his bat though, and should have been strike three instead.

[jicecone]

Well, in that case you just convinced me about how much easier it is to umpire from your couch.

Next year I am just going to call the coach and tell them to send me my check because I don't need to be present for tyhe game.

Now I know I am good, but, never in my wildest dreams, did I ever believe that I could be that good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Well, in that case you just convinced me about how much easier it is to umpire from your couch.

Never said that. Just said that they got this call wrong. It happens.

Next year I am just going to call the coach and tell them to send me my check because I don't need to be present for tyhe game.

Good luck with that.

Now I know I am good, but, never in my wildest dreams, did I ever believe that I could be that good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt you are.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The BUs told him that it hit the ground first, thus changing it to a foul ball.

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. therefore, the conference must have been about whatever bob saw on the ball when he inspected it.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. .

This is should be the proper mechanic at the amateur level as well. It is in my games.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

absolutely not. professional umpires do not conference on this type of thing. they either call it or they don't. and if they don't, it's not because they saw it was foul but aren't going to say anything, it's cuz they didn't think have it as foul. if ANY of the BUs had it hitting the bat and the ground, they would have immediately called it foul. therefore, the conference must have been about whatever bob saw on the ball when he inspected it.

Okay, fair enough. It just reinforces my point to others that it wasn't a foul ball then, because it never touched the bat.

They still got it wrong no matter which way you cut it.

By the way, he called it a foul tip originally, but the call was reversed to foul ball after he talked to the BUs. What else would they be discussing other than whether it hit the ground or not before going into F2's glove?

[UmpTTS43]

I don't understand why guys don't think it possibly couldn't have hit the bat. How many times have you heard a "tick", or "tink" with an aluminum bat, and the ball doesn't change direction? Bob heard something. Maybe he heard the "tick" and didn't see the ball hit the ground, or maybe he heard it hit the ground and thought it was a foul tip. It seemed to me that the batters reaction was that it hit the bat and was surprised that F2 caught the ball.

I didn't know that accusing an umpire of "making sh*t up" was cause for ejection.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

I didn't know that accusing an umpire of "making sh*t up" was cause for ejection.

Only if your integrity is important to you.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

I didn't know that accusing an umpire of "making sh*t up" was cause for ejection.

Let me put it this way: Wedge accused the umpire of cheating. Is that plain enough?