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Old Wed Aug 12, 2009, 12:27pm
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Every clinic I've attended has taught that ALL umpires on the field have equal responsibility when they know 100% that a batter has been hit.

The reasoning is that as stated in earlier posts, the ball moves so fast that sometimes the PU can't see the ball hit the batter. Similarly, if the ball is thrown behind the batter and grazes the batter the PU simply can't see it but the field umpires might. They have a responsibility to call it.
Yes, it is equal responsibilty when 100% sure that a batter has been hit. The BU (or in this case, BUs) should immediatelly chime in when it is apparent that the PU did not see the ball hit the batter for whatever reason.
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Old Wed Aug 12, 2009, 01:28pm
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Yes, it is equal responsibilty when 100% sure that a batter has been hit. The BU (or in this case, BUs) should immediatelly chime in when it is apparent that the PU did not see the ball hit the batter for whatever reason.
Unfortunately this scenario has never seem to come up in the clinics I have been to. (Never seems to be anything more then how to signal contact.)

I would definitely offer help on a throw behind the back where the HPU is unable to see the contact. But I would have a hard time calling the contact on the front of the body from the BU position, without having a request from the HPU. To go further I think it woudl be harder in a situation with a check-swing where the HPU obviously had the available vision to see the swing. In regards to this specific play, I don't think that anyone was 100% sure of what had happened which may have been the reason for call.

I understand the reasoning for this mechanic (for lack of a possibly better word), but I don't feel comfortable applying it on the field without checking with my league/association. (No offense to those of you on this board, I just would rather double-check with a phone call before, then deal with the other phone call after I use it and have a PO'd UIC on me.)
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Old Wed Aug 12, 2009, 03:01pm
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I would definitely offer help on a throw behind the back where the HPU is unable to see the contact. But I would have a hard time calling the contact on the front of the body from the BU position, without having a request from the HPU.
Whether the pitch is behind the batter or in front, it is likely that the PU was screened somehow, and if another umpire sees the ball hit the batter, and it is obvious that the PU did not, the umpire(s) that sees it should call it. How is the PU supposed to know to ask until someone points it out? And by that time the sh!tstorm has already began.
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We're not talking about BU coming in screaming "it hit him" on a brush back when the PU had full sight of everything. "I saw it nick the jersey" - no no no.

We are talking about a situation where PU was completely blocked out because of the way the pitch occurred. In these situations, work as a crew.
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Maybe, they did work as a crew. U3 may not have seen it hit the leg. Batter went down after the swing and got out of the way just fine. Looked to me at regular speed that the ball went off of F2's glove.

I think it is a tough call for U3 when all of that movement is going on at the plate and it is a 92 mph fastball, something might get missed. It isn't like it hit him solid to hear a whack. Also, in regular speed, it looks to me like he just screwed himself into the ground trying to hit that inside pitch.

Now, how many hitters have you seen do that and the pitch wasn't even close to hitting them? I've seen quite a few of those on TV and while on the field.

I think it is a tough call when the PU gets shielded like that and U3 has to look for a lot in such a short period of time.
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Old Wed Aug 12, 2009, 06:18pm
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Maybe, they did work as a crew. U3 may not have seen it hit the leg. Batter went down after the swing and got out of the way just fine. Looked to me at regular speed that the ball went off of F2's glove.

I think it is a tough call for U3 when all of that movement is going on at the plate and it is a 92 mph fastball, something might get missed. It isn't like it hit him solid to hear a whack. Also, in regular speed, it looks to me like he just screwed himself into the ground trying to hit that inside pitch.

Now, how many hitters have you seen do that and the pitch wasn't even close to hitting them? I've seen quite a few of those on TV and while on the field.

I think it is a tough call when the PU gets shielded like that and U3 has to look for a lot in such a short period of time.
That is why the base umpire(s) has to be certain before saying anything. There is a good chance that none of the umpires saw the ball hit Young's leg.

BTW, did Young throw his bat at the umpire?
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BTW, did Young throw his bat at the umpire?
Good one SDS! That fine human being is playing for our very own MN Twins. We are proud!
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