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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 04:11pm
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Poor or incorrect angle IMO...he obviously decided no touch at the moment which he chose to not call him safe. Yeah, it's a pretty bad miss. I guess we call it the human element. Some ground balls still 5-hole a gold glove shortstop yet we don't hammer him into the ground for missing a ground ball that most little leaguers can field.

Not intending to be confrontational at all Kevin...just talking with you...but I think we've probably all missed ones that we shouldn't have missed. I will speak for myself...I have missed ones like this...not at the dish, but on the bases and I've become a better umpire because of it.

Your thoughts?
My thoughts are that I agree with you for the most part. It is good to twist and turn after a kicked call, because it makes you a better umpire. But I can honestly not remember seeing a guy wiping the entire width of the plate and not waving him safe. Blown tag plays ... yes. I have had them, and improved after each one. Blown bangers ... yes. I'm good, but not that good. Everybody misses those too. And like you said, if you're doing it right, you improve after each one, and it takes longer before another one.

But that may be as bad a display as a major leaguer can have.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 04:54pm
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A quote I heard long ago .....

"NOOB: How do you develop good judgement?

VET: Experience.

NOOB: Well, how do you get experience?

VET: Poor judgement!"
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 05:07pm
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Very, very good!

This is just like learning an instrument.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 09:04pm
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A quote I heard long ago .....

"NOOB: How do you develop good judgement?

VET: Experience.

NOOB: Well, how do you get experience?

VET: Poor judgement!"
NOOB: How do you learn how to spell 'judgment'?

VET: Post 'judgement' on an internet forum and some pr!ck will correct you.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 09:07pm
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noob: How do you learn how to spell 'judgment'?

Vet: Post 'judgement' on an internet forum and some pr!ck will correct you.
gee thanks


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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 09:39pm
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Judgement is a variation of the common spelling and considered widely acceptable.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 10:56pm
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Judgement is a variation of the common spelling and considered widely acceptable.
But spell it that way in a MLA formatted term paper and it will be graded down.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 10:57pm
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My thoughts are that I agree with you for the most part. It is good to twist and turn after a kicked call, because it makes you a better umpire. But I can honestly not remember seeing a guy wiping the entire width of the plate and not waving him safe.
Good point. None of us remember doing that.

No one intentionally makes a call like that. No one intentionally calls a pitch in the dirt a strike. But it's done. A lot. And those who do it honestly don't think they did. "I would never call a pitch in the dirt a strike" umpires have said to me during post games evals. What they should say is "I would never call a pitch that I SAW hit the dirt, a strike."

Not until I show them my video do they understand that they really did. And they are usually stunned. The issue then becomes, "why", and our conversatiion turns to mechanics and proper use of the eyes.

I have had the same experience with tag plays.

None of us can say with 100% certainty that we haven't committed a gross error in our umpiring. But since we can go home and not see replay after replay we can continue to believe what we saw and did was correct.

MLB and many MiLB and NCAA umpires don't have that luxury. By the time they get to their hotel any mistake has been on Sports Center and is being cued up for the 11:00 news. They have the wonderful opportunity to see their error, again and again and unlike amateurs, they can't deny making it.

Regardless of what we think about MLB umpire X or MLB umpire Y, the fact is that by training and experience, they all are among the best umpires in the world. And here we are claiming that they screw up more than we do.

Trust me, if we had cameras at every game, we'd be singing a different tune.

I'm not excusing pros who screw up, I am saying that amateurs who like to claim that they never make gross errors should add, "that I know of" to such claims.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:12pm
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But I can honestly not remember seeing a guy wiping the entire width of the plate and not waving him safe.
I'm sure the umpire in the video clip can say the same thing.

The more important question is when was the last time a guy wiped the entire with of the plate and you didn't see it and called him out?
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:31pm
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The more important question is when was the last time a guy wiped the entire with of the plate and you didn't see it and called him out?
Uh, in my case, that would be: Never.
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Uh, in my case, that would be: Never, as far as I know. I certainly wouldn't make that call if I believed I the touch, but being human, I could have, at one time or another, made a mistake.
Fixed that for you.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:41pm
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But spell it that way in a MLA formatted term paper and it will be graded down.
If it's graded down, it's because the more customary spelling wasn't used, not because it violated MLA guidelines.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:44pm
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Fixed that for you.
No, I've blown lots of calls, but not one like this. I know. I don't umpire in a fog. I know what calls I kick and which ones I don't. And then there are the ones I thought I got right but may have missed. But again, not one like this. Not that it won't happen, just that it hasn't.
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:46pm
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If it's graded down, it's because the more customary spelling wasn't used, not because it violated MLA guidelines.
Yes, not because of guidelines, because of professors insisting on proper spelling, such as judgment with only one "e."
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Old Tue Aug 11, 2009, 11:52pm
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Yes, not because of guidelines, because of professors insisting on proper spelling, such as judgment with only one "e."
When I was grading grad students' papers, I was not bothered by "judgement" written by anyone who spelled color, colour.

Remember, "judgement" is the preferred spelling in more English speaking countries than "judgment." The dropping of the first "e" was decided by one man.
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