Turning shoulders

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Hey Jerzee, I was surprised to read that you play NHFS rules for balks. We use OBR for Legion Ball, with the exception of substitutions and sliding rules.

You didn't read that.

Originally Posted by JerzeeRef

After the inning my partner informs the coach that, if this occurred during the regular HS season he would have balked the pitcher.

There is no FED support for limiting F1 to a single "look" to 1B. There are restrictions imposed about "jerking" his shoulders around to look, but those apply to OBR as well. Case 6.2.2E clearly implies that F1 may legally look over "4 or 5 times."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

There is no FED support for limiting F1 to a single "look" to 1B. There are restrictions imposed about "jerking" his shoulders around to look,

As long as it's not accompanied by any hand / arm movement, the pitcher can "jerk" his shoulders all he wants in FED (while the hands are apart).

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As long as it's not accompanied by any hand / arm movement, the pitcher can "jerk" his shoulders all he wants in FED (while the hands are apart).

As I said, FED imposes restrictions on when/how F1 may "jerk" his shoulders.

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As I said, FED imposes restrictions on when/how F1 may "jerk" his shoulders.

Does that mean that OBR allows multiple jerks of the shoulders with arm/hand movement after the hands have come together?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Does that mean that OBR allows multiple jerks of the shoulders with arm/hand movement after the hands have come together?

no

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Does that mean that OBR allows multiple jerks of the shoulders with arm/hand movement after the hands have come together?

OBR makes no mention of shoulder jerks (or other movement), whether or not the hands are joined. Either way, it's a balk to feint a throw to first. What makes a move a feint is up to the umpire. By practice, more movement is allowed before the pitcher joins his hands than after. The slower and shorter the movement, the less likely it is to be a balk.

In FED, the pitcher can move the shoulder (only -- if there's other movement it could be judged to be a feint) as much, as fast, and as far as he wants until the hands are joined. Once the hands are joined, no mevement is allowed (by rule).

[johnnyg08]

There are many legion teams in MN who use FED offense and legion defense until they get to the playoffs. With reentry, it does get more players in the game, etc...

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

There are many legion teams in MN who use FED offense and legion defense until they get to the playoffs. With reentry, it does get more players in the game, etc...

FED for offense and OBR for defense. Now I've heard it all!