NFHS Rules, Designated Hitter Rule

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

MTD,

Another way of putting it -- The DH and the player for whom he was batting cannot be in the lineup at the same time.

Dash, you're undercutting my point: they MUST be in the lineup at the same time, and in the same spot, too, or else one's a sub and NOT a DH.

By 'lineup' I mean what umpires mean, not what players mean. Perhaps that's another source of confusion.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Dash, you're undercutting my point: they MUST be in the lineup at the same time, and in the same spot, too, or else one's a sub and NOT a DH.

By 'lineup' I mean what umpires mean, not what players mean. Perhaps that's another source of confusion.

I wasn't undercutting your point, I was supporting it. Maybe you're confusing lineup (batting order) with lineup card.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I wasn't undercutting your point, I was supporting it. Maybe you're confusing lineup (batting order) with lineup card.

OK, I appreciate the support. I don't think I'm confused: the lineup is what is written on the lineup card.

The batting order is, as you point out, the lineup: a DH and the player he's batting for are both in the batting order (or 3-1-4 would not say, "A designated hitter and the player for whom he is batting are locked into the batting order."), even though just one of them bats.

So, whether we call it the 'lineup' or the 'batting order', the DH and the player for whom he bats MUST be in it at the same time.

[dash_riprock]

Never mind. And I know neither of us is confused.

[David B]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Dash, you're undercutting my point: they MUST be in the lineup at the same time, and in the same spot, too, or else one's a sub and NOT a DH.

By 'lineup' I mean what umpires mean, not what players mean. Perhaps that's another source of confusion.

I agree this is the best way to look at it. The DH is a player in the game also, just as the other nine. That's why it is best written in below the player who he is batting for and not at the bottom of the lineup card like so many coaches want to do .

DH is in the #3 spot, he stays there the rest of the game. (if he is in the game) Now he is a substitute and can be subbed for and return once just as any other player, but that's another whole situation.

Thanks
David