Set position stop

[JR12]

Runners were on base! His stop was very borderline. (more of a change of direction)

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?t...d=bal&c_id=bal
Select NYM@Bal Huff's line drive single. (actually one of his better stops, but still borderline IMO)

[bossman72]

If you ever watched Mariano Rivera's set, he has 3 "stops" before he actually comes set.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JR12

Runners were on base! His stop was very borderline. (more of a change of direction)

orioles.com: Multimedia
Select NYM@Bal Huff's line drive single. (actually one of his better stops, but still borderline IMO)

In that list of videos, there's a BAL double off the wall (against PHL) with R1 only that shows a great example of 4-man umpiring. Relatively close play at the plate -- U1 has rotated down and calls the runner safe.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JR12

Runners were on base! His stop was very borderline. (more of a change of direction)

orioles.com: Multimedia
Select NYM@Bal Huff's line drive single. (actually one of his better stops, but still borderline IMO)

I found it, although it wasn't easy.

Borderline, my a$$. In the "real world" this is clearly a no-stop balk. They simply don't call that in the Major Leagues anymore.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I found it, although it wasn't easy.

Borderline, my a$$. In the "real world" this is clearly a no-stop balk. They simply don't call that in the Major Leagues anymore.

I can't get the video to load, but generally, with men on, K-Rod's stop comes before the downward movement of his glove which commits him (which I agree is clearly a change of direction only).

[JR12]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I found it, although it wasn't easy.

Borderline, my a$$. In the "real world" this is clearly a no-stop balk. They simply don't call that in the Major Leagues anymore.

Thank you! I was afraid to say that, thought I might get jumped on!

[Kevin Finnerty]

I was watching Game 1 of the 1968 Series, and Bob Gibson balked constantly on the way to his 17-K masterpiece. He didn't need to throw too many pitches from the stretch, but he balked on virtually every one.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I was watching Game 1 of the 1968 Series, and Bob Gibson balked constantly on the way to his 17-K masterpiece. He didn't need to throw too many pitches from the stretch, but he balked on virtually every one.

The requirement to stop wasn't added until 1950. At that time the rule required a stop of at least one second.

The one second part was removed in 1964.

Thus, in 1968 a change of direction was considerd to be a stop.
Gibson was legal.

The "discernable stop" wasn't added until 1988.

[umpjim]

I'm seeing a lot of that double stop stuff. Watched it in the CWS. So far nobody is testing it by stealing on the first move after the first stop so if nobody complains then I guess it's not called.

[bobbybanaduck]

the no stop balk is generally only called in pro ball if the pitcher is gaining an advantage...meaning it is a running situation and the runner(s) would be put at a disadvantage by the picther not coming to a hard set. it is not a running situation when the bases are full, which was the case in the video referenced.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

the no stop balk is generally only called in pro ball if the pitcher is gaining an advantage...meaning it is a running situation and the runner(s) would be put at a disadvantage by the picther not coming to a hard set. it is not a running situation when the bases are full, which was the case in the video referenced.

And what Ump wants to Balk in the winning run?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by JR12

And what Ump wants to Balk in the winning run?

probably not many of us, but we're interested in making the correct call, not necessarily when the violation occurs.