Horrible Mechanics

[PeteBooth]

The main problem with your OP is this

Batter hits a bloop into center field, which F8 charges and appeared to trap. BU gives no signal and no verbal.

No one knows what is going on. If the BU gave no signal it appears he has NO CLUE along with the Players and YOU on what's going on.

Each of us has our OWN responsibilities out there.

As both TEE and Rich pointed out with R1/R2 the PU covers third base on the tag UP UNLESS it's a CLEAR CUT Single which from the OP it was not.

Here is what has me puzzled

Apparently BU ruled the ball was caught because F8 threw the ball to F3 to double off R1.

You say APPARENTLY BU Ruled. What's that! Either we have a catch or no catch. We do not have a MAYBE.

Based upon the STRICT wording of your OP it appears NOTHING was called because of your phrase APPARENTLY BU ruled. Therefore, EXACTLY what happened on this play? Was a call on the catch / no catch EVER made?

If R1 was doubled off with an apparent no call on the catch / no catch where was the OM because surely he is going to get tossed.

IMO, once we KNOW what happened then perhaps your question about what to do can be answered more effectively.

Pete Booth

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

The main problem with your OP is this



No one knows what is going on. If the BU gave no signal it appears he has NO CLUE along with the Players and YOU on what's going on.

Each of us has our OWN responsibilities out there.

As both TEE and Rich pointed out with R1/R2 the PU covers third base on the tag UP UNLESS it's a CLEAR CUT Single which from the OP it was not.

Here is what has me puzzled



You say APPARENTLY BU Ruled. What's that! Either we have a catch or no catch. We do not have a MAYBE.

Based upon the STRICT wording of your OP it appears NOTHING was called because of your phrase APPARENTLY BU ruled. Therefore, EXACTLY what happened on this play? Was a call on the catch / no catch EVER made?

If R1 was doubled off with an apparent no call on the catch / no catch where was the OM because surely he is going to get tossed.

IMO, once we KNOW what happened then perhaps your question about what to do can be answered more effectively.

Pete Booth

Pete,

No signal was ever made on catch no catch. The runners, defense and base coaches did not know what to do. The only call which was ever made was the base umpire calling R1 out at first. This is why I say "apparently" caught the ball. The OM showed incredible restraint for a Senior Legion manager (heck a LL OM would be ticked off).

Matt

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

Then, if you are unsure of what to do, you can do 2 things. Go with calling "I've got 3rd!" and stick with it. Or, stand back and let your partner have all calls. For me, if there is a question, I would rather be at 3B than to have my BU looking at me like "What is your call?" If you tell him you are there and everyone hears you, then the blame goes on him for not listening. If you stay at HP and say nothing, then you look like the fool. At least yell at him "Staying Home! Staying Home!" If you at least communicate what you are doing, then the blame can be shifted to your partner for not doing something which is his job and he is the one who looks bad.

But, if you just stand there and look like a "deer in the headlights", you look bad. Communicate something to him whether "I've got 3rd!" or "Staying Home!" Either way looks better than just wondering "What is my BU going to do?"

Yes, whether you follow the prescribed, accepted mechanic for the play, or choose to cover third anyway, let your partner know! If I see the ball fall in (I know the OP BU didn't indicate one or the other), I know that the BU is going to have the force play at 3rd, so I begin my retreat with a right-foot drop step, while hollering "I'm going home, John" (if it is indeed John ) twice, so he knows for sure he's got the call. But, if he is an experienced member of the association, he already knows I'm going home, and knows he has 3rd, because we don't invent new mechanics.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Pete,

No signal was ever made on catch no catch. The runners, defense and base coaches did not know what to do.

I hope you had a POST game with your partner and TOLD him NEXT time signal something.

It's one thing if it's a 'can of corn" or the ball clearly dropped. It's quite another on a Troubled ball

Pete Booth

[njdevs00cup]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;609668]

I hope you had a POST game with your partner and TOLD him NEXT time signal something.

It's one thing if it's a 'can of corn" or the ball clearly dropped. It's quite another on a Troubled ball

Pete Booth

Pete,

After the game I asked the BU about the call. He said, "In my mind it was a catch!" I explained the confusion the lack of a call caused for all involved and he asked, "Did you think he caught it?" I wished him a good night and checked my list of future assignments and partners.

I can only venture a guess that he was not sure whether the ball was caught or not, figured it was to call nothing and let F8's throw to 1B dictate whether it was a catch or not in his mind.
Matt

[ozzy6900]

[quote=njdevs00cup;609674]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Pete,

After the game I asked the BU about the call. He said, "In my mind it was a catch!" I explained the confusion the lack of a call caused for all involved and he asked, "Did you think he caught it?" I wished him a good night and checked my list of future assignments and partners.

I can only venture a guess that he was not sure whether the ball was caught or not, figured it was to call nothing and let F8's throw to 1B dictate whether it was a catch or not in his mind.
Matt

If he is going to let the players dictate the game, what is the need for him to be out there as an umpire?

There are times we look to players for additional information (HBP, foul in the box, rolling catch/no catch) but we make a decision and then make a call!

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

The main problem with your OP is this



No one knows what is going on. If the BU gave no signal it appears he has NO CLUE along with the Players and YOU on what's going on.

Each of us has our OWN responsibilities out there.

As both TEE and Rich pointed out with R1/R2 the PU covers third base on the tag UP UNLESS it's a CLEAR CUT Single which from the OP it was not.

Here is what has me puzzled



You say APPARENTLY BU Ruled. What's that! Either we have a catch or no catch. We do not have a MAYBE.

Based upon the STRICT wording of your OP it appears NOTHING was called because of your phrase APPARENTLY BU ruled. Therefore, EXACTLY what happened on this play? Was a call on the catch / no catch EVER made?

If R1 was doubled off with an apparent no call on the catch / no catch where was the OM because surely he is going to get tossed.

IMO, once we KNOW what happened then perhaps your question about what to do can be answered more effectively.

Pete Booth

Thamk you Pete for putting the thread back on point.