Evalutions by coaches

[spokanelurker]

I'm a longtime coach, but do not feel qualified to evaluate any umpire on his knowledge of mechanics. But as to knowledge and interpretation of the rules and also game management, I think many coaches are qualified to evaluate officials. After all, isn't a large part of the dialogue on this board an informal and often vitriolic evaluation of coaches, or "rats" as you so unprofessionally term them? In another thread, one member of the board even extended that demeaning characterization to include players! Do any of you seriously think that umpires are the only participants on the field who possess any knowledge or integrity?

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by spokanelurker

I'm a longtime coach, but do not feel qualified to evaluate any umpire on his knowledge of mechanics. But as to knowledge and interpretation of the rules and also game management, I think many coaches are qualified to evaluate officials. After all, isn't a large part of the dialogue on this board an informal and often vitriolic evaluation of coaches, or "rats" as you so unprofessionally term them? In another thread, one member of the board even extended that demeaning characterization to include players! Do any of you seriously think that umpires are the only participants on the field who possess any knowledge or integrity?

They so unprofessionally refer to us as "idiots". Why not return the favor? At least we are professional enough not to do it DURING the game in front of everyone. As for integrity, coaches try what they can to get around the rules. Where is the integrity in trying to break the rules? I have not seen a coach/player say I dropped the ball on a play when they think they are the only ones who know it. And, as for knowledge, it is our job to learn the rules. A coach does not take the time to learn all of the rules. They learn the ones they feel relate to what they want to accomplish.

Is there 1 coach turned umpire evaluator without becoming an umpire first and learning the rules on here or anywhere? If there is fine, but I'll bet they are very few.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I have not seen a coach/player say I dropped the ball on a play when they think they are the only ones who know it.

If you see a player or coach tell you NO CATCH, Blue. You would have a moron on your hands.

Are you insinuating that a player that does not make a clean catch should ask the umpire to overturn the out? I hope I am misunderstanding you.

Joe

[LMan]

Originally Posted by spokanelurker

I'm a longtime coach, but do not feel qualified to evaluate any umpire on his knowledge of mechanics.

You should have stopped your post right there.

[zm1283]

As someone who coached baseball before I umpired, I can say that I didn't feel qualified to evaluate umpires. I had an opinion about which guys were any good and which ones weren't, but I didn't know anything about rating them on mechanics/rules/etc. I wasn't a varsity HC, but I can't figure out how a 25-30 year old varsity head coach should be able to evaluate umpires that have been calling for as long as he's been alive.

[spokanelurker]

And you added what to the discussion?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by spokanelurker

And you added what to the discussion?

It's called, "addition by subtraction."

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by spokanelurker

I'm a longtime coach, but do not feel qualified to evaluate any umpire on his knowledge of mechanics. But as to knowledge and interpretation of the rules and also game management, I think many coaches are qualified to evaluate officials. After all, isn't a large part of the dialogue on this board an informal and often vitriolic evaluation of coaches, or "rats" as you so unprofessionally term them? In another thread, one member of the board even extended that demeaning characterization to include players! Do any of you seriously think that umpires are the only participants on the field who possess any knowledge or integrity?

Unfortunately, there are some umpires who will excuse just about anything from umpires and think that just about everything a coach does is wrong.

I used to think that rat (not a word I have used many times) meant an obnoxious/confrontational/sleazy coach. I have come to learn that, for many here, rat means any and all coaches no matter what they do and no matter how unprofessional the umpire is.

I have umpired for 15+ years and have never such a view of coaches. Have I dealt with "rats'? yes, I have...some of them have been coaches and some have been umpires.

Joe

[cc6]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Unfortunately, there are some umpires who will excuse just about anything from umpires and think that just about everything a coach does is wrong.

I used to think that rat (not a word I have used many times) meant an obnoxious/confrontational/sleazy coach. I have come to learn that, for many here, rat means any and all coaches no matter what they do and no matter how unprofessional the umpire is.

I have umpired for 15+ years and have never such a view of coaches. Have I dealt with "rats'? yes, I have...some of them have been coaches and some have been umpires.

Joe

I think the reason so many people here insult you and others for being coaches is because they are jealous.