Batter Returns To Plate After Hitting Fair Ball

UmpJM · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 09:33am

Blue37,

The batter is out for his coach's stupidity.

Personally, I wouldn't let this happen in a game where I was the PU.

JM

UmpTTS43 · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:21am

JM,

What do you mean? Once I point it fair, I wait for the play to end. If that means banging the batter-runner out when he goes back to home, not scoring the run, and probably running the OC, so be it.

jwwashburn · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Blue37,

The batter is out for his coach's stupidity.

Personally, I wouldn't let this happen in a game where I was the PU.

JM

Would you tackle the batter? How would you stop it from happening?

UmpJM · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:30am

UmpTT & jwwashurn,

I will just keep pointing the ball fair until SOMEBODY gets the message. If necessary, I will move up the 1B line and block the batter's return to HP.

Everybody can't be THAT stupid. And this is 18U? Sheesh!

JM

Rich Ives · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:33am

Two outs right?

If the BR touched first it becoames abandonment and a timing play on the run scoring.

If he retreats before touching first and is called out for reaching the plate then no run as the third out was before the BR touched first.

ozzy6900 · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT & jwwashurn,

I will just keep pointing the ball fair until SOMEBODY gets the message. If necessary, I will move up the 1B line and block the batter's return to HP.

Everybody can't be THAT stupid. And this is 18U? Sheesh!

JM

I agree, I am pointing FAIR but if the BR listens to his dumb coach and touches or passes the plate, I'm banging him out!

Edited because I failed to proof-read the damn thing

mbyron · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 10:47am

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I agree, I am pointing FAIR but if the BR listens to his dumb coach and touches or passes the plate, I'm banging him out!

Fixed it for ya.

ozzy6900 · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks, I didn't proof-read it. I corrected it.

SanDiegoSteve · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 07:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT & jwwashurn,

I will just keep pointing the ball fair until SOMEBODY gets the message. If necessary, I will move up the 1B line and block the batter's return to HP.

Everybody can't be THAT stupid. And this is 18U? Sheesh!

JM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

You have got to be kidding! You are going intentionally obstruct a runner?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I agree with pointing fair but I am not going to hold it up forever. Once he comes about halfway, I am done trying to let them know MY call.

Also, why are you going to stand in his way? Now, that is interfering with the game and going too far IMO. Once he has established he is not going to acknowledge MY call, I am letting him do what he wants and calling him out as soon as he gets to the plate for abandonment(score the run).

JM,

I have to go with Joe and Georgia on this one. I'm not going to try to help the runner other than point emphatically fair until he passes my position, and then when he gets to the plate, he's done.

GA Umpire · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT & jwwashurn,

I will just keep pointing the ball fair until SOMEBODY gets the message. If necessary, I will move up the 1B line and block the batter's return to HP.

Everybody can't be THAT stupid. And this is 18U? Sheesh!

JM

I agree with pointing fair but I am not going to hold it up forever. Once he comes about halfway, I am done trying to let them know MY call.

Also, why are you going to stand in his way? Now, that is interfering with the game and going too far IMO. Once he has established he is not going to acknowledge MY call, I am letting him do what he wants and calling him out as soon as he gets to the plate for abandonment(score the run).

But, like Rich pointed out, if he does not touch(pass) 1B and comes all the way back to HP, then I am calling him out and score no run since he was out before touching(passing) 1B.

justanotherblue · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I agree with pointing fair but I am not going to hold it up forever. Once he comes about halfway, I am done trying to let them know MY call.

Also, why are you going to stand in his way? Now, that is interfering with the game and going too far IMO. Once he has established he is not going to acknowledge MY call, I am letting him do what he wants and calling him out as soon as he gets to the plate for abandonment(score the run).

But, like Rich pointed out, if he does not touch(pass) 1B and comes all the way back to HP, then I am calling him out and score no run since he was out before touching(passing) 1B.

Ga, if the BR retreats back toward home after touching the bag, he essentially re-instates the force at 1B, no run would score.

GA Umpire · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Ga, if the BR retreats back toward home after touching the bag, he essentially re-instates the force at 1B, no run would score.

I will not re-instate the force unless the runner touches(passes back) over 1B. If he is heading toward 2B or swings around in foul territory and makes no effort to retouch 1B, I am only calling him out for abandonment which is a timing play.

To re-instate the force without the runner actually making some kind of gesture to retouch is going to cause more problems b/c he didn't actually touch(pass over) the base again. Making that call is grabbing the wrong end since the runner did nothing to re-instate the force.

So, if the runner attempts or actually does retouch 1B, then the force is re-instated. If he doesn't, then abandonment will be called once he reaches HP and the run scores.

Rich Ives · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 01:06pm

The BR at first is NOT a force. Nothing to re-instate.

justanotherblue · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 02:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I will not re-instate the force unless the runner touches(passes back) over 1B. If he is heading toward 2B or swings around in foul territory and makes no effort to retouch 1B, I am only calling him out for abandonment which is a timing play.

To re-instate the force without the runner actually making some kind of gesture to retouch is going to cause more problems b/c he didn't actually touch(pass over) the base again. Making that call is grabbing the wrong end since the runner did nothing to re-instate the force.

So, if the runner attempts or actually does retouch 1B, then the force is re-instated. If he doesn't, then abandonment will be called once he reaches HP and the run scores.

You have a good argument with 4.09 and as Rich pointed out, technically it isn't a force at 1B. However I belive you understood what I meant.

jwwashburn · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

UmpTT & jwwashurn,

I will just keep pointing the ball fair until SOMEBODY gets the message. If necessary, I will move up the 1B line and block the batter's return to HP.

Everybody can't be THAT stupid. And this is 18U? Sheesh!

JM

You have got to be kidding! You are going intentionally obstruct a runner?

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