Base Touch Responsibility

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Maz17

The BU, in the PBUC Manual, has responsibility for the TAG of R1 and R2, he is also responsible for the touches of R1 of 2nd and always the B/R in this scenario. A plate guy should never help out.

Quid Pro Quo??: What if BU looked at the touch and so did PU... they appeal and you give two different calls.

I am with Bob:

If it's a troubled ball the BU has virtually NO time to see the BR touch first base. His eyes are glued to the fielder to determine if we have a catch / no catch.

The bottom line: there are flaws in the 2 person system meaning there is nothing that is CONCRETE depending upon what happens.

If the coach did come out and want to appeal then you have eye contact with your partner and indicate :I've got it" The coach KNOWS the BU was not looking and sometimes they appeal for the sake of appealing to ascertain if the umpires are indeed watching the runners touch the bases.

Pete Booth

[Maz17]

Alright you two... I am telling you, in professional baseball, there is no help from the PU. Trouble ball sinking liner... YOURS. Once firm and secure possession and voluntary release you have to look for the touch. No help is given by the PU. You are right... there are flaws in the two man system. But if a pro or d1 (REAL d1: Big12, 10, PAC, SEC) saw the plate guy stepping on a BU di@&*! like that... he would be dinged so hard. Make as many different claims as you want. Look it up... it is BU responsibility. No matter trouble, not trouble or if the fielder dives and the ball goes in his mouth. Make up what you want... you still have both. Like I said... you may not see him touch, but you still have to look!

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by Maz17

Alright you two... I am telling you, in professional baseball, there is no help from the PU. Trouble ball sinking liner... YOURS. Once firm and secure possession and voluntary release you have to look for the touch. No help is given by the PU. You are right... there are flaws in the two man system. But if a pro or d1 (REAL d1: Big12, 10, PAC, SEC) saw the plate guy stepping on a BU di@&*! like that... he would be dinged so hard. Make as many different claims as you want. Look it up... it is BU responsibility. No matter trouble, not trouble or if the fielder dives and the ball goes in his mouth. Make up what you want... you still have both. Like I said... you may not see him touch, but you still have to look!

That's all well and good, but:

(1) how many pro or "real" () D1 umpires do we have here;

(2) Living in a manual is one thing, being on the field is another. I would rather get the play covered somehow and talk about what to do differently after the game; and

(3) I would not presume to speak for anyone else, but at least one long-time poster here evaluates "real" D1 umpires in his area, so I would be careful about claiming this or that thing as a "ding."

BTW, "real" D1 ball, as well as the (I guess) "not real" D1 conference in which the school in my home city plays, uses 3 umpire CCA mechanics, not the red book.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

That's all well and good, but:

(1) how many pro or "real" () D1 umpires do we have here;

(2) Living in a manual is one thing, being on the field is another. I would rather get the play covered somehow and talk about what to do differently after the game; and

(3) I would not presume to speak for anyone else, but at least one long-time poster here evaluates "real" D1 umpires in his area, so I would be careful about claiming this or that thing as a "ding."

BTW, "real" D1 ball, as well as the (I guess) "not real" D1 conference in which the school in my home city plays, uses 3 umpire CCA mechanics, not the red book.

I would like to see some of the D1 conference umpires chime in. I know 2 in the real world, I'll ask them when I get a chance.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

That's all well and good, but:

(1) how many pro or "real" () D1 umpires do we have here;

Well, from what I'm told, we have Maz17 for starters.