balk on the 45 degree lhp

bob jenkins · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:23am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

I dont know his reasoning but he said he wouldnt have called it from the plate

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

justanotherblue · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:42am

While working a wood bat league last year, F1 using a jump turn. Sent the catcher out to warn his pitcher he wasnt gaining any distance, and I would balk him the next time he did it. Coach between innings after casual discussion says, you mean he has a damn good balk move. I agreed.

justanotherblue · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 11:44am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

I agree, plate umpire should be able to make this call.

bossman72 · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

Right. CCA manual recommends PU calling the "step balks"

jwwashburn · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72

Right. CCA manual recommends PU calling the "step balks"

Boss, I thought that was the case. If the BU can see this, it must have been very bad. The PU has the best angle on it.

MrUmpire · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 03:01pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Boss, I thought that was the case. If the BU can see this, it must have been very bad. The PU has the best angle on it.

In threeman, as in the OP, U1 has an excellent view of this balk, in my opinion, better than PU.

jwwashburn · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire

In threeman, as in the OP, U1 has an excellent view of this balk, in my opinion, better than PU.

The BU would have an ok view. The PU is looking at it straight on and, therefore, has the best view...that is why the CCA manual has the PU calling step balks.

Kevin Finnerty · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 03:38pm

PU has the best view of progress toward first, and BU has the best view of this call, which involves progress toward the plate.

MrUmpire · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn

The BU would have an ok view. The PU is looking at it straight on and, therefore, has the best view...that is why the CCA manual has the PU calling step balks.

Nonsense. that's like saying the first base coach has the best view of the outside corner...same angle.

U1 is looking straight at the front of the leg and can see better than anyone other than BU coach at third whether or not a LHP is stepping more to one side or the other. Simple geometry.

The folks at CCA, God bless them, are not perfect.

socalblue1 · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 08, 2009, 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Nonsense. U1 is looking straight at the leg and can see better than anyone other than BU coach at third whether or not a LHP is stepping more to one side or the other. Simple geometry.

The folks at CCA, God bless them, are not perfect.

I agree. Either can call both though PU has the best angle for distance, BU for direction.

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