balk on the 45 degree lhp

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

I think he can say the word "Balk!" as easy as you....If he can see it, he can call it, even in three-man.....

Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

Only one problem here - if I echo a partner's balk call, and the coach comes out to ME and asks, "What did he do?", what do I say? "He balked?" "I'm only echoing my partner's call - ask him?" I'll call "Time" when I see another partner do it, but I won't yell "Balk" unless I see the balk.

JJ

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by JJ

Only one problem here - if I echo a partner's balk call, and the coach comes out to ME and asks, "What did he do?", what do I say? "He balked?" "I'm only echoing my partner's call - ask him?" I'll call "Time" when I see another partner do it, but I won't yell "Balk" unless I see the balk.

JJ

You shouldn't have to do that. Your partner (the one who called the balk) should see the coach coming out and intercept him to explain the call. If he doesn't, then by all means send the coach to the umpire who made the initial call.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

the only problem with him calling it ... is wait... he didnt ... and he wouldnt have .... I dont know his reasoning but he said he wouldnt have called it from the plate... but that it was definately a block

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

I dont know his reasoning but he said he wouldnt have called it from the plate

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

[justanotherblue]

While working a wood bat league last year, F1 using a jump turn. Sent the catcher out to warn his pitcher he wasnt gaining any distance, and I would balk him the next time he did it. Coach between innings after casual discussion says, you mean he has a damn good balk move. I agreed.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

I agree, plate umpire should be able to make this call.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

Right. CCA manual recommends PU calling the "step balks"

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Right. CCA manual recommends PU calling the "step balks"

Boss, I thought that was the case. If the BU can see this, it must have been very bad. The PU has the best angle on it.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

You shouldn't have to do that. Your partner (the one who called the balk) should see the coach coming out and intercept him to explain the call. If he doesn't, then by all means send the coach to the umpire who made the initial call.

Dash has it. The calling umpire should approach the coach as he is patting his chest saying, I got it coach, that's a balk, he did.....

[JJ]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Dash has it. The calling umpire should approach the coach as he is patting his chest saying, I got it coach, that's a balk, he did.....

OK, but then I look like an idiot. Sorry, I already do that enough on my own. "Yes, coach, I called a balk, but I don't know why. Let's ask my partner!"
I MIGHT echo the "Time" call, but never the "Balk" call unless I see the balk, too.

JJ

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

Can't call something if you didn't see it....

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

We echo the "time" call, but not the balk, unless we saw it. We don't make calls that we don't see.

[JR12]

Also the coach CAN"T come out on a step balk. He is risking ejection. MLBUM.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JR12

Also the coach CAN"T come out on a step balk. He is risking ejection. MLBUM.

The MLBUM governs MLB, and I would never eject a coach merely for asking why I called a balk.

Of course, when I call a balk he already knows the problem:

"Balk! Time! That's a balk, no step!"

"Balk! Time! That's a balk, no stop!"

"Balk! Time! That's a balk, started and stopped!"

etc.