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kcg NC2Ablu Mon Jun 08, 2009 06:05am

balk on the 45 degree lhp
 
this weekend working woodbat this "college pitcher" ( he was terrible I dont know what college would pick him up) was almost literally striding directly to home and comming to first with the ball for the pick off. We were working 3 man and I was at first so I could see it clear as day. The skip came out to argue after I called the second balk got in my face and said " how can you call that ?" and he gave me the gambit of how this kid has done this for 2 years and never been called. how many other people are seeing this go on in there games?

mbyron Mon Jun 08, 2009 06:40am

As described, this is a balk in every code, every level.

ozzy6900 Mon Jun 08, 2009 07:04am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 607243)
this weekend working woodbat this "college pitcher" ( he was terrible I dont know what college would pick him up) was almost literally striding directly to home and comming to first with the ball for the pick off. We were working 3 man and I was at first so I could see it clear as day. The skip came out to argue after I called the second balk got in my face and said " how can you call that ?" and he gave me the gambit of how this kid has done this for 2 years and never been called. how many other people are seeing this go on in there games?

"Well guess what coach, he's been balking for 2 years!"

bob jenkins Mon Jun 08, 2009 07:13am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 607243)
We were working 3 man and I was at first so I could see it clear as day.

What did the plate umpire have on the play(s)?

kcg NC2Ablu Mon Jun 08, 2009 07:44am

He thought the ball was comming home thats what he said at post game. infact I believe his exact words were something to the effect of " I think that if you didnt call those I woulda told you that we were gonna work two man the next game and be we I mean me and mike ( U3)"

Bishopcolle Mon Jun 08, 2009 08:13am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 607257)
He thought the ball was comming home thats what he said at post game. infact I believe his exact words were something to the effect of " I think that if you didnt call those I woulda told you that we were gonna work two man the next game and be we I mean me and mike ( U3)"

I think he can say the word "Balk!" as easy as you....If he can see it, he can call it, even in three-man.....

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jun 08, 2009 09:04am

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Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 607261)
I think he can say the word "Balk!" as easy as you....If he can see it, he can call it, even in three-man.....

Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

JJ Mon Jun 08, 2009 09:47am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 607271)
Absolutely. All umpires should at least echo the call. This could save a big argument when the coach hears it coming from every direction. Isn't that why we have partners in the first place? I've never been too shy to call a balk, or echo my partner's balk call, whether I saw the balk or not. If my partner says it's a balk, it's a balk.

Only one problem here - if I echo a partner's balk call, and the coach comes out to ME and asks, "What did he do?", what do I say? "He balked?" "I'm only echoing my partner's call - ask him?" I'll call "Time" when I see another partner do it, but I won't yell "Balk" unless I see the balk.

JJ

bob jenkins Mon Jun 08, 2009 09:58am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 607257)
He thought the ball was comming home thats what he said at post game. infact I believe his exact words were something to the effect of " I think that if you didnt call those I woulda told you that we were gonna work two man the next game and be we I mean me and mike ( U3)"

Then he should have called it, too. (And, that's different from "echoing the balk call.")

dash_riprock Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:04am

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 607283)
Only one problem here - if I echo a partner's balk call, and the coach comes out to ME and asks, "What did he do?", what do I say? "He balked?" "I'm only echoing my partner's call - ask him?" I'll call "Time" when I see another partner do it, but I won't yell "Balk" unless I see the balk.

JJ

You shouldn't have to do that. Your partner (the one who called the balk) should see the coach coming out and intercept him to explain the call. If he doesn't, then by all means send the coach to the umpire who made the initial call.

kcg NC2Ablu Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:47am

the only problem with him calling it ... is wait... he didnt ... and he wouldnt have .... I dont know his reasoning but he said he wouldnt have called it from the plate... but that it was definately a block

bob jenkins Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:23am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 607310)
I dont know his reasoning but he said he wouldnt have called it from the plate


Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

justanotherblue Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:42am

While working a wood bat league last year, F1 using a jump turn. Sent the catcher out to warn his pitcher he wasnt gaining any distance, and I would balk him the next time he did it. Coach between innings after casual discussion says, you mean he has a damn good balk move. I agreed.

justanotherblue Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:44am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 607322)
Huh? It's PRIMARILY the plate umpire's call. It would be much more understandable if he had it and you didn't.

I agree, plate umpire should be able to make this call.

justanotherblue Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:47am

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 607295)
You shouldn't have to do that. Your partner (the one who called the balk) should see the coach coming out and intercept him to explain the call. If he doesn't, then by all means send the coach to the umpire who made the initial call.

Dash has it. The calling umpire should approach the coach as he is patting his chest saying, I got it coach, that's a balk, he did.....


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