Pick off attempt goes out of play

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, just to further confuse Matt, a jump turn and a jab step are also both one base awards (if the ball is thrown out of play), even though F1 isn't touching the rubber at the time of the throw.

As you know, Bob, this is a bit of a red herring: it all depends on what you mean by "time of the throw." These moves begin with F1 in contact and end with a throw (or legal feint, I suppose -- LHP doing the move to 3B may feint) to a base.

When addressing coaches and small children, I prefer to keep it simple: did he step off first or not? 2 bases or 1, accordingly.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As you know, Bob, this is a bit of a red herring: it all depends on what you mean by "time of the throw." These moves begin with F1 in contact and end with a throw (or legal feint, I suppose -- LHP doing the move to 3B may feint) to a base.

When addressing coaches and small children, I prefer to keep it simple: did he step off first or not? 2 bases or 1, accordingly.

Agreed, but way too many coaches, players, fans, and even umpires, don't understand the distinction.

[travlinmatt]

Bob,

This is exactly the reason for my post. I greatly appreciate this distinction. A snap throw to first by a RHP could create a situation where the pitcher's foot breaks contact with the plate prior to releasing the ball. I appreciate that you have stated that this situation does in fact result in one base being awarded. I guess the real question should have been to distinguish between a quick move and a deliberate step back then throw. Your post makes this the most clear of any. Thanks.

Matt

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by travlinmatt

Bob,

This is exactly the reason for my post. I greatly appreciate this distinction. A snap throw to first by a RHP could create a situation where the pitcher's foot breaks contact with the plate prior to releasing the ball. I appreciate that you have stated that this situation does in fact result in one base being awarded. I guess the real question should have been to distinguish between a quick move and a deliberate step back then throw. Your post makes this the most clear of any. Thanks.

Matt

Matt, you might be overthinking this a bit. If the pitcher steps back off of the rubber he is now a fielder. To keep it simple for the purposes of this discussion, most of the other legal moves are from the rubber. Other posts above define some of the specific differences for the 1 base or the 2 base award.

[Rich]

I had a pitcher in the windup position step off legally and then bring his hands up over his head as if he was pitching -- in order to abruptly stop and throw to third to nail R3.

After I balk in the run, I hear this "he's just a fielder, he's just a fielder" nonsense. Of course, they forgot the existence of 8.05(g).

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I had a pitcher in the windup position step off legally and then bring his hands up over his head as if he was pitching -- in order to abruptly stop and throw to third to nail R3.

After I balk in the run, I hear this "he's just a fielder, he's just a fielder" nonsense. Of course, they forgot the existence of 8.05(g).

For those that don't know and are to lazy to look it up themselves...

8.05 It is a balk when there are runners on and the pitcher...
(g) makes any move that is normally associated with his pitching motion when not in contact with the rubber