out of the batters box

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

The official interpretation I received from JE is this. When a batter has one foot on the ground completely out of the box, he is considered out of the box. Being contacted by a fair batted ball results in an out. Anything else, he is considered in the box and the result is a foul ball.

There's a FED case play to this exact effect.

[UMP25]

This would be an obvious example of when FED is much clearer than is OBR.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a FED case play to this exact effect.

Excellent.

Bob,

Could you please give me the case number? I have one duck that wants to get out of line.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Excellent.

Bob,

Could you please give me the case number? I have one duck that wants to get out of line.

I don't have the books handy, so I'll respond under the spirit of "teach a man to fish...". The batter has hit the ball, so he's a BR. The "A BR is out when ..." rule is 8-4-1. So, I'd look at cases 8.4.1

[johnnyg08]

I'm going to read until FED Rule 5,7,8 for FED...somebody else take OBR...

The Dead Ball portion of FED doesn't tell us a whole lot.

FED p. 46, 7-3-ART 2 states that a batter shall not hit the ball fair or foul while either foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate.

Case 7.3.2 Sitch A, Case 7.3.2 Sitch C,

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I'm going to read until FED Rule 5,7,8 for FED...somebody else take OBR...

The Dead Ball portion of FED doesn't tell us a whole lot.

FED p. 46, 7-3-ART 2 states that a batter shall not hit the ball fair or foul while either foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate.

Case 7.3.2 Sitch A, Case 7.3.2 Sitch C,

That's for batting the ball while out of the box. The OP is for being hit by the batted ball. Completely different.

[johnnyg08]

Bob, you're right. I couldn't find a case play that describes the OP play. I'll keep playing though.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Bob, you're right. I couldn't find a case play that describes the OP play. I'll keep playing though.

Apparently, "teach a man to fish ..." means baiting the hook, casting the line, reeling in the fish, gutting it, filleting it and cooking it. Lah me.