out of the batters box

[_Bruno_]

B1 bunts the ball down the first base line. as he starts off for first, the ball bounces straight up and hits the batter.

when is a player out of the batters box, so he could be called out instead of a foul ball ?

when one foot, completely outside the box, touches the ground ?!

regards

[UMP25]

When a fair batted ball hits the batter in fair territory, we have a dead ball, batter's out, runners return to TOP base. However, if the ball hits him in the batter's box, even that small portion that is technically within fair territory (13% of the box is), it's generally called a foul ball.

Now, one must understand exactly what is meant by hits "him" in the batter's box. You focus on whether the part of the body that is hit by the ball is in fair territory when hit. If so, then it's interference and dead ball, etc. If the ball hits a part of his body that is in the box or in foul territory, then it's a foul ball.

Example: Batter bunts the ball, and as he is leaving the box (his right leg is planted on the ground outside the box in fair territory), the ball comes up and hits him in the left foot, which is still inside the box. This is a foul ball.

In short, pay attention to where the part of the body that was hit was situated when it was hit by the ball.

[_Bruno_]

ok, i think i got it.

thanks a lot !

[UmpTTS43]

The official interpretation I received from JE is this. When a batter has one foot on the ground completely out of the box, he is considered out of the box. Being contacted by a fair batted ball results in an out. Anything else, he is considered in the box and the result is a foul ball.

[UMP25]

Which seems to conflict with the ruling from other sources. It also conflicts with the notion of where the ball is when it contacts a runner.

Stuff to ponder...

* Batter hits the ball into the dirt right in the batter's box. Ball comes up and hits him while he's still in the box but in the part of the box that's in fair territory. How many guys would call this a foul ball? An out?

* Batter hits the ball into the dirt in front of him. As he's running to leave the box, the ball bounces up and hits him while he's still in that part of the box that's in fair territory, but his right foot is out of the box. Who would call this foul? Who would call him out?

* Batter hits a ball that just dies in the dirt. It spins on the ground and is lying in the box in the part that's in fair territory. Batter's running to first but in so doing steps on the ball with his foot while his other foot is (a) also still in the box or (b) outside the box on the ground. Who would call this a foul ball in (a) or (b)? Who would call him out in (a) or (b)?

Decisions, decisions.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

The official interpretation I received from JE is this. When a batter has one foot on the ground completely out of the box, he is considered out of the box. Being contacted by a fair batted ball results in an out. Anything else, he is considered in the box and the result is a foul ball.

There's a FED case play to this exact effect.

[UMP25]

This would be an obvious example of when FED is much clearer than is OBR.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a FED case play to this exact effect.

Excellent.

Bob,

Could you please give me the case number? I have one duck that wants to get out of line.

[mikebran]

Another classic and oft repeated question. And a chapter in the Excrement Covered Stick book.

I ain't buying some of the other analysis, regardless of the physics.

On this play, if ANY part of that batter is still in the batters box, then this is a FOUL BALL. Kill it, back to bat. Why try to play surveyer or need to triangulate.

Oh look a stick! This ends covered in DOO, this end is clean! What ever should I do?

And if you rule that the batter had completely LEFT the box and is then hit by batted ball in fair territory, you will kill this play, rule him out, and return other runners.

Originally Posted by _Bruno_

B1 bunts the ball down the first base line. as he starts off for first, the ball bounces straight up and hits the batter.

when is a player out of the batters box, so he could be called out instead of a foul ball ?

when one foot, completely outside the box, touches the ground ?!

regards

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mikebran

Oh look a stick! This ends covered in DOO, this end is clean! What ever should I do?

Thank you. Unless he is OBVIOUSLY way out of the box, call it foul and sell the crap out of it.

[UMP25]

No need to split frickin' hairs on a play like this.

[ManInBlue]

Who's splitting hairs? Your initial comment said call it based on where X part of his body is when it gets hit. That's incorrect and was pointed out by mike and dash.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Who's splitting hairs? Your initial comment said call it based on where X part of his body is when it gets hit. That's incorrect and was pointed out by mike and dash.

No it's not incorrect, and my comment about splitting hairs was referring to what the poster earlier had said, not the OP.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mikebran

Another classic and oft repeated question. And a chapter in the Excrement Covered Stick book.

I ain't buying some of the other analysis, regardless of the physics.

On this play, if ANY part of that batter is still in the batters box, then this is a FOUL BALL. Kill it, back to bat. Why try to play surveyer or need to triangulate.

Oh look a stick! This ends covered in DOO, this end is clean! What ever should I do?

And if you rule that the batter had completely LEFT the box and is then hit by batted ball in fair territory, you will kill this play, rule him out, and return other runners.

Very funny post. And accurate!!! See, flowerboy, I doo have a sense of humor!