Why we umpires love baseball coaches--Part I.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I believe it would be up to the umpires judgment whether the running would have made it safely to 2b or not if the umpire did not make a mistake. HOWEVER, since the offense (ie HC @ 3b) caused the confusion I would consider that as well.

-Josh

In general this is correct. If we're still talking about the OP, 2 points are worth noting in deciding how to fix the matter:

1. R1 had the base stolen, and the throw was behind him to F4.
2. The BASE UMPIRE, having heard the coach, told him to return to 1B because it was a foul ball. (And he did that having seen his partner signal a foul tip and a strike -- blows my mind.)

To fix #2, take into account #1 and put R1 on 2B. The pitch was a strike. Play ball.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In general this is correct. If we're still talking about the OP, 2 points are worth noting in deciding how to fix the matter:

1. R1 had the base stolen, and the throw was behind him to F4.
2. The BASE UMPIRE, having heard the coach, told him to return to 1B because it was a foul ball. (And he did that having seen his partner signal a foul tip and a strike -- blows my mind.)

To fix #2, take into account #1 and put R1 on 2B. The pitch was a strike. Play ball.

I agree no out but I disagree putting him on second. In effect base umpire THOUGHT it was foul and acted accordingly. That being the case you either treat this sitch. as a foul ball OR you don't and have an out. Can't have it both ways. Put runner back on first and play on.

[cc6]

There must be a FED rule that allows you to change the status of runners if they are put out due to umpire's error. There is no such rule in OBR.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by cc6

There must be a FED rule that allows you to change the status of runners if they are put out due to umpire's error. There is no such rule in OBR.

True, but there is precedent when a stealing runner was called "out" on ball 4, left the base, then was tagged again. The umpires put him back on second.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

I agree no out but I disagree putting him on second. In effect base umpire THOUGHT it was foul and acted accordingly. That being the case you either treat this sitch. as a foul ball OR you don't and have an out. Can't have it both ways. Put runner back on first and play on.

By rule, you can't treat this as a foul ball. The ball was not batted.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by mbyron

By rule, you can't treat this as a foul ball. The ball was not batted.

Michael,

Huh?!?!

Sure it was. It was a "foul tip" which, by definition is "..a batted ball...".

JM

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by mbyron

By rule, you can't treat this as a foul ball. The ball was not batted.

Ok than you have an out.

[JRutledge]

Do not repeat something you did not originally call. This all would have been avoided if the umpire just called the play.

Peace