Why we umpires love baseball coaches--Part I.

[mbyron]

Why do you guys talk so much?

BU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling runners where to go, especially when he saw his partner call a foul tip.

PU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling the players when the ball is live.

If there's any confusion after the play, call time and discuss it. If the coach sends his runner back and he's tagged out, that's entirely on the coach.

Given what actually happened: FED wants umpires to fix any situations that arise because an umpire's mistake put a runner in jeopardy. In this case, that would mean and rescinding the out and putting R1 on 2B, where he clearly would have been safe without the umpires' (plural) involvement in the play.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why do you guys talk so much?

BU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling runners where to go, especially when he saw his partner call a foul tip.

PU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling the players when the ball is live.

If there's any confusion after the play, call time and discuss it. If the coach sends his runner back and he's tagged out, that's entirely on the coach.

Given what actually happened: FED wants umpires to fix any situations that arise because an umpire's mistake put a runner in jeopardy. In this case, that would mean and rescinding the out and putting R1 on 2B, where he clearly would have been safe without the umpires' (plural) involvement in the play.

Agreed (but less harshly on the umpire). I never tell the runner to return to second on a foul ball, they figure it out. If I see the other umpire call foul ball, I may repeat "foul ball" to save the runner some steps but it's not common for me to say anything.

-Josh

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Agreed (but less harshly on the umpire).

I guess I might have sounded harsh. From what I've read on here, MTD is a good umpire, and I was astonished that he participated in these rookie follies.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why do you guys talk so much?

BU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling runners where to go, especially when he saw his partner call a foul tip.

PU should keep his mouth shut and make his calls. He has no business telling the players when the ball is live.

If there's any confusion after the play, call time and discuss it. If the coach sends his runner back and he's tagged out, that's entirely on the coach.

Given what actually happened: FED wants umpires to fix any situations that arise because an umpire's mistake put a runner in jeopardy. In this case, that would mean and rescinding the out and putting R1 on 2B, where he clearly would have been safe without the umpires' (plural) involvement in the play.

Beautifully Said!

[jkumpire]

MTD,

What did you do to the 3B coach/HC?

Did you consider putting him in the dugout, at least?

If you didn't, that's okay. But if the HC yelled so loud to get the BU's attention, then the HC needs some kind of correction here.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

MTD,

What did you do to the 3B coach/HC?

Did you consider putting him in the dugout, at least?

If you didn't, that's okay. But if the HC yelled so loud to get the BU's attention, then the HC needs some kind of correction here.

Not withstanding the negagive reaction to my partner ruling his runner out. I did not restrict him to the dugout because we DID call his runner out because he not my partner and I put his runner at risk. Everybody keeps forgeting that before my partner said a word to the runner, the runner stopped short of second base and started to return to first base when he heard his coach yell "foul ball". It is my humble opinion that the HC learned his lesson about keeping his mouth shut., and that the "foul tip" signal means just that and not foul ball.

MTD, Sr.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Not withstanding the negagive reaction to my partner ruling his runner out. I did not restrict him to the dugout because we DID call his runner out because he not my partner and I put his runner at risk. Everybody keeps forgeting that before my partner said a word to the runner, the runner stopped short of second base and started to return to first base when he heard his coach yell "foul ball". It is my humble opinion that the HC learned his lesson about keeping his mouth shut., and that the "foul tip" signal means just that and not foul ball.

MTD, Sr.

No one is forgetting. But, once your partner confirmed it to be a foul ball, he put the runner in jeopardy worse than the coach. The runner still had a chance to turn around. But, once the umpire says foul, what runner is going to question that?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

No one is forgetting. But, once your partner confirmed it to be a foul ball, he put the runner in jeopardy worse than the coach. The runner still had a chance to turn around. But, once the umpire says foul, what runner is going to question that?

My partner never said used the word "foul". The only person on the diamond that used the word "foul" was the HC.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I understand what NFHS rules really want, but even when I go to the Pearly Gates and I am told that I am not good enough to get in and I then am turned away from Hades because Lucifer doesn't want me because he knows I WILL take over, I believe the punishment for the HC's crime was the "right" one.